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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 7444997"><p>No, we can't agree on that, and the argument is dumb.</p><p></p><p>The fact that everyone has <em>opinions</em> on things is irrelevant to the question of "Can we balance this?" To which the answer is almost always "Yes." The fact that <em>some</em> people don't want to do what is <em>necessary</em> to achieve balance, don't believe balance is actually possible, don't believe balance itsself is <em>necessary</em> or just plum don't care remains <strong>completely 100% irrelevant</strong>. </p><p></p><p>This is like suggesting we can't have have a good car because people disagree on what makes a good vehicle. Obviously we've been able to build good cars. There are also ways to build <em>objectively</em> bad cars. </p><p></p><p>While yes, when someone posts a thread that says "Here's how to FIX D&D!" we should always assume what they are saying is "Here's how <strong>I THINK</strong> we should FIX D&D!" To this I have no disagreement. But to suggest that these suggestions are nothing more than <em>opinion</em> and therefore all equally valid and thus all equally worthless is absurdity. This is the same kind of un-logic that tricks people into the trap of thinking those who espouse genocide have equal opinions to those who want to treat all humans fairly.</p><p></p><p>There are <em>objective</em> non-opinion ways to improve D&D. To balance it in the encounter, to balance it over the campaign, to balance classes against classes, and to balance different possible options against each other. Sometimes people's suggestions contain these elements. Sometimes they don't.</p><p></p><p>4E for example dramatically balanced the game from 3.5 Both classes against classes, in the encounter and over the campaign. It was <em>objectively</em> a more balanced D&D. Problem? People didn't like it. I'm not saying we have to pull a 4E to balance D&D. But I am saying it is <em>possible</em> as it has been done.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 7444997"] No, we can't agree on that, and the argument is dumb. The fact that everyone has [I]opinions[/I] on things is irrelevant to the question of "Can we balance this?" To which the answer is almost always "Yes." The fact that [I]some[/I] people don't want to do what is [I]necessary[/I] to achieve balance, don't believe balance is actually possible, don't believe balance itsself is [I]necessary[/I] or just plum don't care remains [B]completely 100% irrelevant[/B]. This is like suggesting we can't have have a good car because people disagree on what makes a good vehicle. Obviously we've been able to build good cars. There are also ways to build [I]objectively[/I] bad cars. While yes, when someone posts a thread that says "Here's how to FIX D&D!" we should always assume what they are saying is "Here's how [B]I THINK[/B] we should FIX D&D!" To this I have no disagreement. But to suggest that these suggestions are nothing more than [I]opinion[/I] and therefore all equally valid and thus all equally worthless is absurdity. This is the same kind of un-logic that tricks people into the trap of thinking those who espouse genocide have equal opinions to those who want to treat all humans fairly. There are [I]objective[/I] non-opinion ways to improve D&D. To balance it in the encounter, to balance it over the campaign, to balance classes against classes, and to balance different possible options against each other. Sometimes people's suggestions contain these elements. Sometimes they don't. 4E for example dramatically balanced the game from 3.5 Both classes against classes, in the encounter and over the campaign. It was [I]objectively[/I] a more balanced D&D. Problem? People didn't like it. I'm not saying we have to pull a 4E to balance D&D. But I am saying it is [I]possible[/I] as it has been done. [/QUOTE]
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