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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 7569949" data-attributes="member: 20564"><p>That's a decent example of only 2 level difference. You know, I can see 2 as the lower end. Bestow Curse also is 3rd level with concentration, but upcast to 5th level doesn't need it anymore. So let's go 2-3 levels above.</p><p></p><p>So the debuff power of a 1st level debuff with concentration would be around a 3rd-4th level spell.</p><p></p><p>So a 3rd level non-concentration spells might be like Tasha's Hideous Laughter. Single target incapacitation, saves every round plus additional saves with advantage every time it takes damage. Probably lasts more than 1 minute base.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>However, we're talking debuffs. Defenses have their own logic; there are a more spells that increase your survivability without concentration.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Really? Power Word Stun is an <strong>8th</strong> level spell for a single target stun, only works of targets with 150 HPs or less, and gives a save every round. The spell you wouldn't "certainly wouldn't spend my 6th level slot on" will likely stun for more creature-rounds (since it can catch many), has no HP limit, and is two levels lower.</p><p></p><p>As a matter of fact, the lowest level stunning spells I could find in the PHB are Divine Word (30 HPs or less only) and Symbol (1 min casting, 1000gp components, non-mobile), both at 7th but with much harsher conditions on use. You may need to re-calibrate on how powerful a spell that grants the stun condition without concentration is considered in 5e by the designers. And then bump it up to make it multi-target.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blue, post: 7569949, member: 20564"] That's a decent example of only 2 level difference. You know, I can see 2 as the lower end. Bestow Curse also is 3rd level with concentration, but upcast to 5th level doesn't need it anymore. So let's go 2-3 levels above. So the debuff power of a 1st level debuff with concentration would be around a 3rd-4th level spell. So a 3rd level non-concentration spells might be like Tasha's Hideous Laughter. Single target incapacitation, saves every round plus additional saves with advantage every time it takes damage. Probably lasts more than 1 minute base. However, we're talking debuffs. Defenses have their own logic; there are a more spells that increase your survivability without concentration. Really? Power Word Stun is an [B]8th[/B] level spell for a single target stun, only works of targets with 150 HPs or less, and gives a save every round. The spell you wouldn't "certainly wouldn't spend my 6th level slot on" will likely stun for more creature-rounds (since it can catch many), has no HP limit, and is two levels lower. As a matter of fact, the lowest level stunning spells I could find in the PHB are Divine Word (30 HPs or less only) and Symbol (1 min casting, 1000gp components, non-mobile), both at 7th but with much harsher conditions on use. You may need to re-calibrate on how powerful a spell that grants the stun condition without concentration is considered in 5e by the designers. And then bump it up to make it multi-target. [/QUOTE]
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