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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7575604" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>Interesting examples. I'm curious why you felt the need to pick numbers of enemies that would make for significantly harder fights than the orc example. For example are you designing fights around the 6-8 encounter adventuring day or are your fights designed for more of a 2-3 encounter adventuring day?</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Most of those fights would outright kill any level 1 or 2 party thrown at them. Most of those fights can't be easily won without significant resources used by the other PC's. How do you want me to account for those resources? I was attempting to stay in the less hard encounters for the simple reason that other PC abilities don't have to become a factor. If you insist on fights like the ones you cited above then we need some way to factor in the effects of other PC abilities.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you are at enough of a level for most of those encounters then you'll have level 2 spells and should be using one of them there instead of FF or DW.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Huh? Isn't that what I'm doing with analysis? What I don't see the benefit of doing is saying well I played the game once with a bard and used faerie fire and it was awesome and then I played once as a bard and used DW and it wasn't as awesome. There's too many variables and randomness involved for a handful of play experiences to give any indication about which spell is better. All play experience does is help us calibrate representative encounters for us to base our analysis on. If someone had played hundereds of games with FF and hundreds of games with DW I would start putting some stock in their experiences as being representative but none of us here have done that.</p><p></p><p>So yes, when someone asks me about play experience, I have plenty of play experience in 5e which gives me plenty of ability to look at an encounter and determine it's representativeness. What none of us have is enough play experience to say that based on my play experience FF is better than DW without some kind of analysis going on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7575604, member: 6795602"] Interesting examples. I'm curious why you felt the need to pick numbers of enemies that would make for significantly harder fights than the orc example. For example are you designing fights around the 6-8 encounter adventuring day or are your fights designed for more of a 2-3 encounter adventuring day? Most of those fights would outright kill any level 1 or 2 party thrown at them. Most of those fights can't be easily won without significant resources used by the other PC's. How do you want me to account for those resources? I was attempting to stay in the less hard encounters for the simple reason that other PC abilities don't have to become a factor. If you insist on fights like the ones you cited above then we need some way to factor in the effects of other PC abilities. If you are at enough of a level for most of those encounters then you'll have level 2 spells and should be using one of them there instead of FF or DW. Huh? Isn't that what I'm doing with analysis? What I don't see the benefit of doing is saying well I played the game once with a bard and used faerie fire and it was awesome and then I played once as a bard and used DW and it wasn't as awesome. There's too many variables and randomness involved for a handful of play experiences to give any indication about which spell is better. All play experience does is help us calibrate representative encounters for us to base our analysis on. If someone had played hundereds of games with FF and hundreds of games with DW I would start putting some stock in their experiences as being representative but none of us here have done that. So yes, when someone asks me about play experience, I have plenty of play experience in 5e which gives me plenty of ability to look at an encounter and determine it's representativeness. What none of us have is enough play experience to say that based on my play experience FF is better than DW without some kind of analysis going on. [/QUOTE]
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