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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6858854" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>Not going to give my opinion of the movie or any sort of review. I'm just going to hone in one aspect: </p><p></p><p>'Martha' as linchpin for Bats and Supes and basically the genesis of The Justice League.</p><p></p><p>Ok. Fair enough. I can buy-in.</p><p></p><p>But the clumsy, heavy-handed way it was done was rather amateur hour. It should have been trivially easy for a profession film-maker to pull this off in an elegant, minimalist fashion (where the audience derives the connection naturally rather than being clubbed over the head with it).</p><p></p><p>Take the entirety of Batman's origin. The "Martha" whisper by his father. Zoom in on the black of her eyes until its entirely black. Zoom back out and we're looking at a picture hanging on the wall in the Kent household. We're zooming out of Martha Kent's eyes as Clark walks by and calls out "Ma (!)". Maybe the picture is of Martha and Jon when they were young and simply has their names and the date of the photo.</p><p></p><p>The audience makes the connection of the centrality of the parents to the heroes and the shared name of their mothers. Good enough. </p><p></p><p>Give us a brief moment with Alfred conveying Bruce's "survivor's guilt" over his parent's death and that he didn't posses "the will to act" when it all went done (as was beautifully constructed in Batman Begins). </p><p></p><p>Superman in his ultimate moment reveals his vulnerability and humanity to Batman before the killing stroke. A simple "please" and a "he's going to kill my mother..." That (a) connects him to Batman by disarming the concern of inhumanity and invulnerability and (b) provides the Caped Crusader an opportunity to exorcise some of his own demons surrounding his parents' death by saving Clark's own mother. </p><p></p><p>Done. We don't need to be hit over the head with Martha references left, right, and center and then have that awkward exchange between Bats and Supes in the pivotal moment.</p><p></p><p>Good idea. Poor execution.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6858854, member: 6696971"] Not going to give my opinion of the movie or any sort of review. I'm just going to hone in one aspect: 'Martha' as linchpin for Bats and Supes and basically the genesis of The Justice League. Ok. Fair enough. I can buy-in. But the clumsy, heavy-handed way it was done was rather amateur hour. It should have been trivially easy for a profession film-maker to pull this off in an elegant, minimalist fashion (where the audience derives the connection naturally rather than being clubbed over the head with it). Take the entirety of Batman's origin. The "Martha" whisper by his father. Zoom in on the black of her eyes until its entirely black. Zoom back out and we're looking at a picture hanging on the wall in the Kent household. We're zooming out of Martha Kent's eyes as Clark walks by and calls out "Ma (!)". Maybe the picture is of Martha and Jon when they were young and simply has their names and the date of the photo. The audience makes the connection of the centrality of the parents to the heroes and the shared name of their mothers. Good enough. Give us a brief moment with Alfred conveying Bruce's "survivor's guilt" over his parent's death and that he didn't posses "the will to act" when it all went done (as was beautifully constructed in Batman Begins). Superman in his ultimate moment reveals his vulnerability and humanity to Batman before the killing stroke. A simple "please" and a "he's going to kill my mother..." That (a) connects him to Batman by disarming the concern of inhumanity and invulnerability and (b) provides the Caped Crusader an opportunity to exorcise some of his own demons surrounding his parents' death by saving Clark's own mother. Done. We don't need to be hit over the head with Martha references left, right, and center and then have that awkward exchange between Bats and Supes in the pivotal moment. Good idea. Poor execution. [/QUOTE]
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