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<blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 7253690" data-attributes="member: 762"><p>I wasn't comparing the BS to a martial, my point was that his survivability is extremely high relative to other wizard traditions. Just the fact that you had to pull out martial builds specifically geared for high ACs bears that out. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not with impunity actually, the evoker cannot exclude himself like he can others. If he's surrounded he cannot drop an AoE on himself and benefit from sculpt spell. If my player had gone with the BS (not an option he wasn't playing an elf) his dex would have been higher so likely 18, 22 if he'd bothered with shield (and considering what happened, it would have been worth it). A BS who's not focusing on melee can AoE as well as any tradition that's not an evoker. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>25 point buy and an elf allows for 18 Int and 16 Dex by sixth level easily. That's a 20 base AC with the armor spell (or heck 19 AC with basic studded leather, the BS gives light armor proviciency too, a nice freebie if you don't want to spend the first level spell). And that's assuming by sixth level the BS hasn't acquired an AC enhancing item like a ring of protection. Higher stats certainly help but regular point buy works fine. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>AC doesn't go up THAT much as levels increase in 5e, bounded accuracy an all that. Really the AC starts good and remains good, and unlike other wizards, the BS can prop that up with magic armor. </p><p></p><p>Surprise is deadly to ANY wizard, less so to the BS because their AC will be higher even without prep. </p><p></p><p>Dispel magic seems to be a bit of a waste against the BS, especially if he's wearing studded leather. You'll, at best, drop the second level blur and you're burning a 3rd level spell to do it. You might also drop the shield if he has one up but that's dropping anyway. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wizards in general are high resource characters so this argument doesn't resonate. Because the BS is getting hit less (remember, he doesn't HAVE to go into melee) he's less of a resource drain than most other wizards. </p><p></p><p>Also your discounting the boost the BS gets to concentration a hefty +3 to +5. This means their spells stay put better than most wizards. If the BS drops a slow on the enemy and becomes the target of their fire: first they have to hit him, and then he has to fail a concentration check something he will do less often than other wizards. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>what's the "other tradition" wizard doing the first round? If he's buffing, it's no different than the BS. If the BS sees he can finish the fight quickly he can cast an offensive spell too, the bladesong is a bonus action. </p><p></p><p>What's the cleric doing otherwise, if it's buffing, then again, no different. The BS actually has a pretty efficient use of resources, for a wizard. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Sent from my SM-G930V using <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=93205" target="_blank">EN World mobile app</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mort, post: 7253690, member: 762"] I wasn't comparing the BS to a martial, my point was that his survivability is extremely high relative to other wizard traditions. Just the fact that you had to pull out martial builds specifically geared for high ACs bears that out. It's not with impunity actually, the evoker cannot exclude himself like he can others. If he's surrounded he cannot drop an AoE on himself and benefit from sculpt spell. If my player had gone with the BS (not an option he wasn't playing an elf) his dex would have been higher so likely 18, 22 if he'd bothered with shield (and considering what happened, it would have been worth it). A BS who's not focusing on melee can AoE as well as any tradition that's not an evoker. 25 point buy and an elf allows for 18 Int and 16 Dex by sixth level easily. That's a 20 base AC with the armor spell (or heck 19 AC with basic studded leather, the BS gives light armor proviciency too, a nice freebie if you don't want to spend the first level spell). And that's assuming by sixth level the BS hasn't acquired an AC enhancing item like a ring of protection. Higher stats certainly help but regular point buy works fine. AC doesn't go up THAT much as levels increase in 5e, bounded accuracy an all that. Really the AC starts good and remains good, and unlike other wizards, the BS can prop that up with magic armor. Surprise is deadly to ANY wizard, less so to the BS because their AC will be higher even without prep. Dispel magic seems to be a bit of a waste against the BS, especially if he's wearing studded leather. You'll, at best, drop the second level blur and you're burning a 3rd level spell to do it. You might also drop the shield if he has one up but that's dropping anyway. Wizards in general are high resource characters so this argument doesn't resonate. Because the BS is getting hit less (remember, he doesn't HAVE to go into melee) he's less of a resource drain than most other wizards. Also your discounting the boost the BS gets to concentration a hefty +3 to +5. This means their spells stay put better than most wizards. If the BS drops a slow on the enemy and becomes the target of their fire: first they have to hit him, and then he has to fail a concentration check something he will do less often than other wizards. what's the "other tradition" wizard doing the first round? If he's buffing, it's no different than the BS. If the BS sees he can finish the fight quickly he can cast an offensive spell too, the bladesong is a bonus action. What's the cleric doing otherwise, if it's buffing, then again, no different. The BS actually has a pretty efficient use of resources, for a wizard. Sent from my SM-G930V using [URL=http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=93205]EN World mobile app[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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