Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Bladesinger vs. Valor Bard vs. Bladelock
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Xeviat" data-source="post: 7093943" data-attributes="member: 57494"><p>Having played a Fighter/Wizard in Baldur's Gate 2, they might not be as effective as a fighter or a wizard separately, but they're definitely fun. I think a lot of that comes into 5E, where the gish builds are definitely fun to conceptualize, build, and play, but maybe they aren't the best.</p><p></p><p>Which is weird, because the Paladin is awesome. So why is it that the full casters, who have just as much melee capability until 11th level, seem weaker?</p><p></p><p>Blade Warlocks have an issue with competing against Eldritch Blast + Agonizing Blast; that's my biggest complaint about the way the class is set up. I'm sorely tempted to finish up my work on my 1-5th level spell Warlock and turn it into a half-caster so I can beef up it's at-will blasting and slashing and be done with it. But that's something else.</p><p></p><p>I've seen a Valor Bard played. He was quite effective. But, he wasn't really able to weave magic and weapons together at the same time, aside from some bonus action spells like Healing Word. The player felt like he was a cleric sometimes and a weak fighter other times. We switched out Extra Attack for War Magic and he felt a little more Gishy after that. I'd do the same for the Bladesinger.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xeviat, post: 7093943, member: 57494"] Having played a Fighter/Wizard in Baldur's Gate 2, they might not be as effective as a fighter or a wizard separately, but they're definitely fun. I think a lot of that comes into 5E, where the gish builds are definitely fun to conceptualize, build, and play, but maybe they aren't the best. Which is weird, because the Paladin is awesome. So why is it that the full casters, who have just as much melee capability until 11th level, seem weaker? Blade Warlocks have an issue with competing against Eldritch Blast + Agonizing Blast; that's my biggest complaint about the way the class is set up. I'm sorely tempted to finish up my work on my 1-5th level spell Warlock and turn it into a half-caster so I can beef up it's at-will blasting and slashing and be done with it. But that's something else. I've seen a Valor Bard played. He was quite effective. But, he wasn't really able to weave magic and weapons together at the same time, aside from some bonus action spells like Healing Word. The player felt like he was a cleric sometimes and a weak fighter other times. We switched out Extra Attack for War Magic and he felt a little more Gishy after that. I'd do the same for the Bladesinger. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Bladesinger vs. Valor Bard vs. Bladelock
Top