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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7533741" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>This gets back to my precious comment about separating combat and non combat stuff. 5E kind of does this with some class features but if you use feats the non combat ones are competing with the combat ones. 2E split them up initially (late 2E they merged). 4E also gave it a shot with the U part of AEDU but failed on the feat thing.</p><p></p><p> If I had some sort of clone or homebrew I would either have fixed non combat things maybe with some player choice (like the 5E Rogue expertise, you get 2 skills but up to you what two skills you focus in) or in 3.X/4E terms some classes might get a bonus feat but from a limited list (skill training, skill focus, one of the language feats etc). A bonus feat is very powerful, a bonus feat from a limited selection not so much and a fixed bonus feat even less. SWSE kind of tried this as the expert type classes had a large variety of non combat feats to pick from.</p><p></p><p> Pathfinder 2 tried something similar in the early playtest in effect having lots of options but from a preselected list. PF2 could easily be tweaked into 4.5. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7533741, member: 6716779"] This gets back to my precious comment about separating combat and non combat stuff. 5E kind of does this with some class features but if you use feats the non combat ones are competing with the combat ones. 2E split them up initially (late 2E they merged). 4E also gave it a shot with the U part of AEDU but failed on the feat thing. If I had some sort of clone or homebrew I would either have fixed non combat things maybe with some player choice (like the 5E Rogue expertise, you get 2 skills but up to you what two skills you focus in) or in 3.X/4E terms some classes might get a bonus feat but from a limited list (skill training, skill focus, one of the language feats etc). A bonus feat is very powerful, a bonus feat from a limited selection not so much and a fixed bonus feat even less. SWSE kind of tried this as the expert type classes had a large variety of non combat feats to pick from. Pathfinder 2 tried something similar in the early playtest in effect having lots of options but from a preselected list. PF2 could easily be tweaked into 4.5. ] [/QUOTE]
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