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<blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 3248659" data-attributes="member: 6562"><p>That's true, but Expel Vestige is important outside of combat. So that's how I "priced" the Incarnate version. Sure, you can use it in a fight, but then you're down one Vestige and you can't recover it during the fight (well, you can, but it takes one full minute to bind a Vestige). Sure, there's another feat to circumvent that (once per day), but whatever -- if you spend the feats, you should get the goodies.</p><p></p><p>Two feats for getting a benefit that any 15th level Cleric or Wizard would have anyway (via one of the <em>planar ally</em> or <em>planar binding</em> spells)? Balanced, perhaps even weak. Still, it struck me as a cool image, and perhaps the low marginal cost for each Fiend is a balancing factor to its relative weakness vs. the Cleric or Wizard alternative.</p><p></p><p>The "minute per level" thing made me think it would be useful for about 3 combats, fewer if you take the time to re-bind a replacement, which is about right.</p><p></p><p>Does that make sense? Or do you have a devilish application that utterly breaks the game? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Thanks, -- N</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nifft, post: 3248659, member: 6562"] That's true, but Expel Vestige is important outside of combat. So that's how I "priced" the Incarnate version. Sure, you can use it in a fight, but then you're down one Vestige and you can't recover it during the fight (well, you can, but it takes one full minute to bind a Vestige). Sure, there's another feat to circumvent that (once per day), but whatever -- if you spend the feats, you should get the goodies. Two feats for getting a benefit that any 15th level Cleric or Wizard would have anyway (via one of the [i]planar ally[/i] or [i]planar binding[/i] spells)? Balanced, perhaps even weak. Still, it struck me as a cool image, and perhaps the low marginal cost for each Fiend is a balancing factor to its relative weakness vs. the Cleric or Wizard alternative. The "minute per level" thing made me think it would be useful for about 3 combats, fewer if you take the time to re-bind a replacement, which is about right. Does that make sense? Or do you have a devilish application that utterly breaks the game? :) Thanks, -- N [/QUOTE]
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