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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 8705115" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>Ankheg - <strong>Beast</strong></p><p></p><p>Basilisk - Elemental?</p><p></p><p>Behir - Elemental?</p><p></p><p>Bulette - <strong>Beast</strong></p><p></p><p>Carrion Crawler - <strong>Beast</strong></p><p></p><p>Centaur - <strong>Fey</strong></p><p></p><p>Chimera - <strong>Fiend</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Cockatrice - Elemental?</p><p></p><p>Darkmantle - <strong>Shadow</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Death Dog - <strong>Beast</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Displacer Beast - <strong>Fey</strong></p><p></p><p>Doppelganger - <strong>Humanoid</strong>! (Fey origin?)</p><p></p><p>Drider - <strong>Fiend</strong>! <strong>(Fey origin)</strong></p><p></p><p>Ettercap - Humanoid?</p><p></p><p>Gorgon - Elemental?</p><p></p><p>Grick - <strong>Beast</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Griffon - <strong>Beast</strong></p><p></p><p>Guardian Naga - <strong>Celestial</strong></p><p></p><p>Harpy - <strong>Fiend</strong>! <strong>(Fey origin)</strong></p><p></p><p>Hippogriff - <strong>Beast</strong></p><p></p><p>Hook Horror - <strong>Humanoid</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Hydra - <strong>Dragon</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Kracken - <strong>Fiend</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Lamia - Fiend?</p><p></p><p>Manticore - Fiend?</p><p></p><p>Medusa - <strong>Humanoid (Fiend origin)!</strong></p><p></p><p>Merrow - <strong>Humanoid</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Mimic - Aberration?</p><p></p><p>Minotaur - <strong>Humanoid</strong></p><p></p><p>Owlbear - <strong>Beast</strong></p><p></p><p>Peryton - <strong>Shadow</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Phase Spider - <strong>Ethereal</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Piercer - <strong>Beast</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Purple Worm - <strong>Beast</strong></p><p></p><p>Remorhaz - <strong>Elemental</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Roc - <strong>Beast</strong></p><p></p><p>Roper - Aberration?</p><p></p><p>Rust Monster - Elemental?</p><p></p><p>Sphinxes - <strong>Celestial</strong></p><p></p><p>Spirit Naga - <strong>Fiend</strong></p><p></p><p>Tarrasque - Elemental?</p><p></p><p>Umber Hulk - Elemental?</p><p></p><p>Winter Wolf - <strong>Elemental</strong>!</p><p></p><p>Worg - <strong>Beast</strong></p><p></p><p>Yeti - Elemental?</p><p></p><p>Yuan-Ti - <strong>Humanoid</strong> <strong>(Fiend origin)</strong>!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"Beast" − material plane origin, Intelligence 5 or lower, strictly nonmagical.</p><p></p><p>"Humanoid" − material plane origin, Intelligence 6 or higher, must have individual personalities and cultures within a larger group, can be nonmagical or magical, typically humanlike bipedal but not necessarily.</p><p></p><p>"Ethereal", "Fey", or "Shadow" − these are related but distinguishable, and while the Shadow has deathly origin it is not itself an Undead.</p><p></p><p>"Elemental" − some magical creatures are elementals that are native to the material plane, these are manifestations from features of nature, including fire, ice, water, air, sunlight, and plant.</p><p></p><p>"Astral" − I would make this origin the creature type, then make Fiend and Supernal, along with Celestial, Angel, Devil, Demon, Yugoloth, and Aberration its subtypes, since they inhabit the Astral Dominions. "Celestial" is too specifically LG, and less suitable for NG and CG. I would include LN among Celestial, hence modron and sphynx are Celestial. "Supernal" is a better term for any Non-E Astral. Actually, the Astral subtypes need a revisit too, and would help clarify creatures like kraken and medusa and yuan-ti.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I found the manticore difficult to classify. It is too intelligent to be a Beast, but it isnt a Humanoid either. Its features are nonmagic (except for darkvision). Its lore gives no clues as to its origin.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I probably want to return to how 4e distinguishes between "creature type" and "planar origin". This is a helpful distinction that opens up various possibilities, such as eladrin being a "Fey Humanoid". Some are combo creature types, such as warforge a "Construct Humanoid".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 8705115, member: 58172"] Ankheg - [B]Beast[/B] Basilisk - Elemental? Behir - Elemental? Bulette - [B]Beast[/B] Carrion Crawler - [B]Beast[/B] Centaur - [B]Fey[/B] Chimera - [B]Fiend[/B]! Cockatrice - Elemental? Darkmantle - [B]Shadow[/B]! Death Dog - [B]Beast[/B]! Displacer Beast - [B]Fey[/B] Doppelganger - [B]Humanoid[/B]! (Fey origin?) Drider - [B]Fiend[/B]! [B](Fey origin)[/B] Ettercap - Humanoid? Gorgon - Elemental? Grick - [B]Beast[/B]! Griffon - [B]Beast[/B] Guardian Naga - [B]Celestial[/B] Harpy - [B]Fiend[/B]! [B](Fey origin)[/B] Hippogriff - [B]Beast[/B] Hook Horror - [B]Humanoid[/B]! Hydra - [B]Dragon[/B]! Kracken - [B]Fiend[/B]! Lamia - Fiend? Manticore - Fiend? Medusa - [B]Humanoid (Fiend origin)![/B] Merrow - [B]Humanoid[/B]! Mimic - Aberration? Minotaur - [B]Humanoid[/B] Owlbear - [B]Beast[/B] Peryton - [B]Shadow[/B]! Phase Spider - [B]Ethereal[/B]! Piercer - [B]Beast[/B]! Purple Worm - [B]Beast[/B] Remorhaz - [B]Elemental[/B]! Roc - [B]Beast[/B] Roper - Aberration? Rust Monster - Elemental? Sphinxes - [B]Celestial[/B] Spirit Naga - [B]Fiend[/B] Tarrasque - Elemental? Umber Hulk - Elemental? Winter Wolf - [B]Elemental[/B]! Worg - [B]Beast[/B] Yeti - Elemental? Yuan-Ti - [B]Humanoid[/B] [B](Fiend origin)[/B]! "Beast" − material plane origin, Intelligence 5 or lower, strictly nonmagical. "Humanoid" − material plane origin, Intelligence 6 or higher, must have individual personalities and cultures within a larger group, can be nonmagical or magical, typically humanlike bipedal but not necessarily. "Ethereal", "Fey", or "Shadow" − these are related but distinguishable, and while the Shadow has deathly origin it is not itself an Undead. "Elemental" − some magical creatures are elementals that are native to the material plane, these are manifestations from features of nature, including fire, ice, water, air, sunlight, and plant. "Astral" − I would make this origin the creature type, then make Fiend and Supernal, along with Celestial, Angel, Devil, Demon, Yugoloth, and Aberration its subtypes, since they inhabit the Astral Dominions. "Celestial" is too specifically LG, and less suitable for NG and CG. I would include LN among Celestial, hence modron and sphynx are Celestial. "Supernal" is a better term for any Non-E Astral. Actually, the Astral subtypes need a revisit too, and would help clarify creatures like kraken and medusa and yuan-ti. I found the manticore difficult to classify. It is too intelligent to be a Beast, but it isnt a Humanoid either. Its features are nonmagic (except for darkvision). Its lore gives no clues as to its origin. I probably want to return to how 4e distinguishes between "creature type" and "planar origin". This is a helpful distinction that opens up various possibilities, such as eladrin being a "Fey Humanoid". Some are combo creature types, such as warforge a "Construct Humanoid". [/QUOTE]
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