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<blockquote data-quote="Xeviat" data-source="post: 7083720" data-attributes="member: 57494"><p>No offense taken.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No one in my group has taken the Champion. Whether that's because they want a class that has more options (doubtful, because I've seen them play simple barbarians) or because it doesn't appeal to them next to the BM and the EK. Most likely the second.</p><p></p><p>At at level 3, it is weaker than the BM by every conceivable metric. I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise (it's nifty to see the Champion's synergy with half-orc and great weapon master, but I'd like to see other options be good). Heck, my whole comparison was giving the Champion the best assumptions possible; a sword and board Champion would be a lot worse off.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's incredibly hyperbolic. I cannot see how adding something unique to them at 3rd level, something simple and to the theme of the archetype, possibly even something non-combat, so that they have some edge over Battle masters in something, could possibly ruin someone's enjoyment of it. Unless they're one of those types that likes to purposefully play weak characters.</p></blockquote><p>So play the classes you want, and stop feeling like you need to change every other class to fit your desires because chances are, it appeals to other people just fine the way it is. The game certainly isn't catered to my desires, so why I would feel it necessarily say anything that doesn't fit my desires is somehow broken is beyond me.[/QUOTE]</p><p></p><p>Um ... I'm not a WotC designer who is going to go door to door, tear out the Champion pages of people's books, and replace it with Xev's Champion. The most I might do is put up my version of a simple Fighter (that's awfully similar to the Champion coincidentally) here or on the DMsG.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Xeviat, post: 7083720, member: 57494"] No offense taken. No one in my group has taken the Champion. Whether that's because they want a class that has more options (doubtful, because I've seen them play simple barbarians) or because it doesn't appeal to them next to the BM and the EK. Most likely the second. At at level 3, it is weaker than the BM by every conceivable metric. I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise (it's nifty to see the Champion's synergy with half-orc and great weapon master, but I'd like to see other options be good). Heck, my whole comparison was giving the Champion the best assumptions possible; a sword and board Champion would be a lot worse off. That's incredibly hyperbolic. I cannot see how adding something unique to them at 3rd level, something simple and to the theme of the archetype, possibly even something non-combat, so that they have some edge over Battle masters in something, could possibly ruin someone's enjoyment of it. Unless they're one of those types that likes to purposefully play weak characters. [/quote]So play the classes you want, and stop feeling like you need to change every other class to fit your desires because chances are, it appeals to other people just fine the way it is. The game certainly isn't catered to my desires, so why I would feel it necessarily say anything that doesn't fit my desires is somehow broken is beyond me.[/QUOTE] Um ... I'm not a WotC designer who is going to go door to door, tear out the Champion pages of people's books, and replace it with Xev's Champion. The most I might do is put up my version of a simple Fighter (that's awfully similar to the Champion coincidentally) here or on the DMsG. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk [/QUOTE]
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