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<blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 3577844" data-attributes="member: 7240"><p>Political dissent. He backed attempts to reimpose tyranny on Athens and abolish the democracy. So, they executed him for sedition. Sedition <> heresy.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: The fact that he was an "atheist" was also part of the charges against him certainly. And I covered the question of "atheism" as it was understood in the ancient world in my post. </p><p></p><p>The problem with "atheism" was not what people believed; it was their refusal to participate in or contribute to civic rituals that people believed made the crops grow, etc. People certainly were persecuted for withholding their <em>participation</em> from certain rites but this should not be conflated with heresy because their beliefs were irrelevant to the persecution. What mattered was their involvement in civic affairs. </p><p></p><p>Simply put, Socrates was executed for being an enemy of Athens. He wanted their gods, their rituals and their political system to fail. As you can read in Plato, Socrates never denied the existence of the gods and his beliefs about them had nothing to do with his persecution. Otherwise, the Academy would have been permanently banned for continuing to teach his cosmology. But it was not.In some cultures, you are quite right. There is a big overlap.Agreed. Even when heretics claimed loyalty to early modern absolutist states, their claims were not believed.There are many reasons religious dissent became a major issue in the 16th century. That is certainly one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fusangite, post: 3577844, member: 7240"] Political dissent. He backed attempts to reimpose tyranny on Athens and abolish the democracy. So, they executed him for sedition. Sedition <> heresy. EDIT: The fact that he was an "atheist" was also part of the charges against him certainly. And I covered the question of "atheism" as it was understood in the ancient world in my post. The problem with "atheism" was not what people believed; it was their refusal to participate in or contribute to civic rituals that people believed made the crops grow, etc. People certainly were persecuted for withholding their [i]participation[/i] from certain rites but this should not be conflated with heresy because their beliefs were irrelevant to the persecution. What mattered was their involvement in civic affairs. Simply put, Socrates was executed for being an enemy of Athens. He wanted their gods, their rituals and their political system to fail. As you can read in Plato, Socrates never denied the existence of the gods and his beliefs about them had nothing to do with his persecution. Otherwise, the Academy would have been permanently banned for continuing to teach his cosmology. But it was not.In some cultures, you are quite right. There is a big overlap.Agreed. Even when heretics claimed loyalty to early modern absolutist states, their claims were not believed.There are many reasons religious dissent became a major issue in the 16th century. That is certainly one. [/QUOTE]
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