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Can one of the lead designers of D&D please stand up and clarify "Rain of Blows"?
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<blockquote data-quote="Kordeth" data-source="post: 4649847" data-attributes="member: 5036"><p>An attack and an attack power are not necessarily the same thing. <em>Rain of blows</em> is an <strong>attack power</strong> that allows you to make multiple <strong>attacks.</strong> If it were a single attack with multiple targets (e.g. a hypothetical close blast 3 attack power that targets "three enemies in blast"), then you'd be correct. In this case, though, the secondary attack is a new <strong>attack</strong>, and therefore as part of Step 5 for the primary attack, you loop back up to Step 2 and start the process again for the secondary attack (Step 1 has already been determined).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, I was just making sure you were aware that if you hit with one primary attack, you still get one secondary attack.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You've got the sequence a little bit messed up here. The secondary attacks are additional effects of the primary attacks, and so each one is resolved after the successful primary attack that triggered it. The book is, admittedly, somewhat vague on the order of operations for a power that allows multiple attacks (as opposed to a single attack against multiple targets), so I suppose a case could be made that the primary attacks are simultaneous, but even in that case you'd see the results of the primary attack <em>before</em> deciding the target of the secondary attack. IMHO, though, since 4E doesn't really have a concept of actions occuring simultaneously, you're supposed to fully resolve one attack <em>before</em> the second attack, including all secondary attacks. Meaning the only way you could screw yourself out of attacks with <em>rain of blows</em> would be to kill the primary target with your first secondary attack.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kordeth, post: 4649847, member: 5036"] An attack and an attack power are not necessarily the same thing. [i]Rain of blows[/i] is an [b]attack power[/b] that allows you to make multiple [b]attacks.[/b] If it were a single attack with multiple targets (e.g. a hypothetical close blast 3 attack power that targets "three enemies in blast"), then you'd be correct. In this case, though, the secondary attack is a new [b]attack[/b], and therefore as part of Step 5 for the primary attack, you loop back up to Step 2 and start the process again for the secondary attack (Step 1 has already been determined). Right, I was just making sure you were aware that if you hit with one primary attack, you still get one secondary attack. You've got the sequence a little bit messed up here. The secondary attacks are additional effects of the primary attacks, and so each one is resolved after the successful primary attack that triggered it. The book is, admittedly, somewhat vague on the order of operations for a power that allows multiple attacks (as opposed to a single attack against multiple targets), so I suppose a case could be made that the primary attacks are simultaneous, but even in that case you'd see the results of the primary attack [i]before[/i] deciding the target of the secondary attack. IMHO, though, since 4E doesn't really have a concept of actions occuring simultaneously, you're supposed to fully resolve one attack [i]before[/i] the second attack, including all secondary attacks. Meaning the only way you could screw yourself out of attacks with [i]rain of blows[/i] would be to kill the primary target with your first secondary attack. [/QUOTE]
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