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Can you cast flame blade and then make an improvised weapon attack with the flame blade?
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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9200617" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Witchbolt does require an action to do the extra damage every round after the first, so that is a new action as well. Like you point out it is not an action discussed in the PHB.</p><p></p><p>Also an attack roll is not necessarily required for the attack action. Grappling and Shoving both use the attack action and neither use an attack roll. A Dragon Born PC (from FTOD) breathing fire on someone is also the attack action and is more or less the exact same thing the Dragon's Breath spell does.</p><p></p><p>My interpretation of the Flame Blade attack is exactly like these two spells in terms of action. You use your action to implement the spell effect which is specific to the spell. Other spells are similar.</p><p></p><p>Important to this is "making an attack" does not mean the same thing as "using the attack action" you can make attack rolls without using an attack action.</p><p></p><p>A melee spell attack is not an attack action and I will point out that Spiritual Weapon, Mordenkainan's sword, Vampiric Touch and Black Blade of Disaster all use this "spell attack" word but do not use the attack action. </p><p></p><p>Moreover, if I am taking this wording then a 20th level fighter could cast Vampiric Touch upcast to 4th level and then action surge for 8 attacks doing a total 32-192 damage and also healing herself the same amount.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9200617, member: 7030563"] Witchbolt does require an action to do the extra damage every round after the first, so that is a new action as well. Like you point out it is not an action discussed in the PHB. Also an attack roll is not necessarily required for the attack action. Grappling and Shoving both use the attack action and neither use an attack roll. A Dragon Born PC (from FTOD) breathing fire on someone is also the attack action and is more or less the exact same thing the Dragon's Breath spell does. My interpretation of the Flame Blade attack is exactly like these two spells in terms of action. You use your action to implement the spell effect which is specific to the spell. Other spells are similar. Important to this is "making an attack" does not mean the same thing as "using the attack action" you can make attack rolls without using an attack action. A melee spell attack is not an attack action and I will point out that Spiritual Weapon, Mordenkainan's sword, Vampiric Touch and Black Blade of Disaster all use this "spell attack" word but do not use the attack action. Moreover, if I am taking this wording then a 20th level fighter could cast Vampiric Touch upcast to 4th level and then action surge for 8 attacks doing a total 32-192 damage and also healing herself the same amount. [/QUOTE]
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