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<blockquote data-quote="Morrus" data-source="post: 7700280" data-attributes="member: 1"><p>Back in January, WotC's Mike Mearls <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?3161-A-Million-Answers-From-Mearls-Lindsay-About-DM-s-Guild-DDAL-and-the-OGL-(Compiled-AMA)#.VyOjvGP5xTY" target="_blank">was asked that question</a>; he replied [HQ]"Yes, but be sure to look at the terms of use for the DM's Guild to make sure you understand how they apply to your product."[/HQ] It seems that OneBookShelf (the company which runs DMs Guild for WotC) has now clarified this statement to make it clear that while you can theoretically <em>fund</em> a product via Kickstarter, you can't <em>distribute</em> it via that platform.[PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]<p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">[ATTACH=full]110561[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>DLI Media, which launched a <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dlimedia/the-coming-dark-chapter-one-into-the-light" target="_blank">Kickstarter for an adventure trilogy this week</a>, was <a href="http://rpg.brainclouds.net/2016/04/29/the-reality-of-the-dms-guild/" target="_blank">told by OBS' Director of Publishing and Marketing</a>:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">[HQ]Someone linked us to your Kickstarter and I wanted to touch base about a few things. DMsGuild creators cannot release titles on both DMsGuild and DriveThruRPG and they cannot use Kickstarter to "sell" their DMsGuild publications.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">The wording on your Kickstarter makes me think this is more of an OGL type product, which is great because we have a ton of awesome 5e OGL content on DriveThruRPG and you are already set up to sell there.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">You would only need to remove the DMsGuild elements (logos and text) from your Kickstarter page and continue on with your plans to sell on and fulfill your project via DriveThruRPG.com.[/HQ]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p></p><p>The email was followed up with further clarification:</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">[hq]The issue is you are in violation of the license on DMsGuild with your Kickstarter. All DMsGuild creations must remain exclusive to that storefront. They cannot be sold on DriveThruRPG, other storefronts, nor via Kickstarter tiers.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">While it is true someone could run a Kickstarter to fund artwork or development of a DMsGuild title, they cannot offer tiers that provide backers copies of the title product. So, I imagine tiers would have to be "special thanks" or "game with the designer at Gen Con" or "your likeness used as one of the NPCs" all backers would still have to buy the book on DMsGuild once it launched as the publisher wouldn't be able to sell them a copy via crowdfunding.[/hq]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p></p><p>Which is pretty much what's been said all along. No big surprises. It seems that it's a simple problem with a simple solution, though: allow publishers on DMsG to send complimentary products from that platform.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">[hq]The DMsGuild license specifically agreed to by content creators states that all DMG titles are exclusive to the DMsGuild.com storefront. Putting the PDF on Kickstarter violates that exclusivity. You are specifically listing your title (understanding that it isn't officially released yet) on another site and not on DMsGuild. It wouldn't be available on DMsGuild until after you've collected funds and finished the project.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">DMsGuild creators do not currently have the tool set to upload PoD files themselves.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">It does sound like making adjustments and releasing this title on DriveThruRPG as a 5e OGL product would work better for your overall setup.[/hq]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p></p><p>So, right now, Kickstarter isn't much use for DMsG products. But it sounds like some minor technical changes could solve that. In the meantime, if you want to create a 5E product and fund it via Kickstarter, the best bet is to produce an OGL product instead, like many companies are already doing.</p><p></p><p>So, no big news or anything, but a clarification that some folks might find useful before going ahead with their Kickstarters!</p><p></p><p>In other news, both <a href="http://support.drivethrurpg.com/hc/en-us/articles/210146463-Margaret-Weis-Cortex-Plus-Creator-Studio" target="_blank">Margaret Weis Productions Cortex+</a>, and <a href="http://support.drivethrurpg.com/hc/en-us/articles/208597136-Mongoose-The-Travellers-Aid-Society-TAS-" target="_blank">Mongoose Publishing Traveller</a>, are the latest OBS DMsG-style third-party stores to open up, with <a href="http://support.drivethrurpg.com/hc/en-us/articles/208596786-Monte-Cook-Cypher-System-Creator" target="_blank">Monte Cook Games' Cypher System</a> store opening very soon. Seems to be a popular model! OBS refers to these as "<a href="http://support.drivethrurpg.com/hc/en-us/categories/201257283-Community-Content-Programs" target="_blank">Community Content Programs</a>".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Morrus, post: 7700280, member: 1"] Back in January, WotC's Mike Mearls [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?3161-A-Million-Answers-From-Mearls-Lindsay-About-DM-s-Guild-DDAL-and-the-OGL-(Compiled-AMA)#.VyOjvGP5xTY"]was asked that question[/URL]; he replied [HQ]"Yes, but be sure to look at the terms of use for the DM's Guild to make sure you understand how they apply to your product."[/HQ] It seems that OneBookShelf (the company which runs DMs Guild for WotC) has now clarified this statement to make it clear that while you can theoretically [I]fund[/I] a product via Kickstarter, you can't [I]distribute[/I] it via that platform.[PRBREAK][/PRBREAK][CENTER] [ATTACH=FULL]110561[/ATTACH][/CENTER] DLI Media, which launched a [URL="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dlimedia/the-coming-dark-chapter-one-into-the-light"]Kickstarter for an adventure trilogy this week[/URL], was [URL="http://rpg.brainclouds.net/2016/04/29/the-reality-of-the-dms-guild/"]told by OBS' Director of Publishing and Marketing[/URL]: [INDENT][HQ]Someone linked us to your Kickstarter and I wanted to touch base about a few things. DMsGuild creators cannot release titles on both DMsGuild and DriveThruRPG and they cannot use Kickstarter to "sell" their DMsGuild publications. The wording on your Kickstarter makes me think this is more of an OGL type product, which is great because we have a ton of awesome 5e OGL content on DriveThruRPG and you are already set up to sell there. You would only need to remove the DMsGuild elements (logos and text) from your Kickstarter page and continue on with your plans to sell on and fulfill your project via DriveThruRPG.com.[/HQ] [/INDENT] The email was followed up with further clarification: [INDENT][hq]The issue is you are in violation of the license on DMsGuild with your Kickstarter. All DMsGuild creations must remain exclusive to that storefront. They cannot be sold on DriveThruRPG, other storefronts, nor via Kickstarter tiers. While it is true someone could run a Kickstarter to fund artwork or development of a DMsGuild title, they cannot offer tiers that provide backers copies of the title product. So, I imagine tiers would have to be "special thanks" or "game with the designer at Gen Con" or "your likeness used as one of the NPCs" all backers would still have to buy the book on DMsGuild once it launched as the publisher wouldn't be able to sell them a copy via crowdfunding.[/hq] [/INDENT] Which is pretty much what's been said all along. No big surprises. It seems that it's a simple problem with a simple solution, though: allow publishers on DMsG to send complimentary products from that platform. [INDENT] [hq]The DMsGuild license specifically agreed to by content creators states that all DMG titles are exclusive to the DMsGuild.com storefront. Putting the PDF on Kickstarter violates that exclusivity. You are specifically listing your title (understanding that it isn't officially released yet) on another site and not on DMsGuild. It wouldn't be available on DMsGuild until after you've collected funds and finished the project. DMsGuild creators do not currently have the tool set to upload PoD files themselves. It does sound like making adjustments and releasing this title on DriveThruRPG as a 5e OGL product would work better for your overall setup.[/hq] [/INDENT] So, right now, Kickstarter isn't much use for DMsG products. But it sounds like some minor technical changes could solve that. In the meantime, if you want to create a 5E product and fund it via Kickstarter, the best bet is to produce an OGL product instead, like many companies are already doing. So, no big news or anything, but a clarification that some folks might find useful before going ahead with their Kickstarters! In other news, both [URL="http://support.drivethrurpg.com/hc/en-us/articles/210146463-Margaret-Weis-Cortex-Plus-Creator-Studio"]Margaret Weis Productions Cortex+[/URL], and [URL="http://support.drivethrurpg.com/hc/en-us/articles/208597136-Mongoose-The-Travellers-Aid-Society-TAS-"]Mongoose Publishing Traveller[/URL], are the latest OBS DMsG-style third-party stores to open up, with [URL="http://support.drivethrurpg.com/hc/en-us/articles/208596786-Monte-Cook-Cypher-System-Creator"]Monte Cook Games' Cypher System[/URL] store opening very soon. Seems to be a popular model! OBS refers to these as "[URL="http://support.drivethrurpg.com/hc/en-us/categories/201257283-Community-Content-Programs"]Community Content Programs[/URL]". [/QUOTE]
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