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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 6351148" data-attributes="member: 9037"><p>It is not just anyone it his daughter and these allegations have been around since she was a child she is now an adult. You realize often in cases of sexual child abuse there is limited proof. But one thing I do know young child don't make it up on their own. In Dylan case she was either sexually abused by her father or she was emotionally abused by her mother. She is the victim here she was a child and her parents failed her. As I said my issue with Woody Allen is he is either a sexual abuser or he is a father who knew he his child was being abused and did nothing to help her. </p><p></p><p>I can't watch his or Mia Farrow movies because when I sit there I think about their children suffering and that hits to close to home for me and I am not going to put myself through it. </p><p></p><p>It burns me how people bend over backwards to defend him even to the point of throwing mud at Dylan who was seven years old at the time. </p><p></p><p>I don't judge anyone who wants to see his movies but don't try and wash away the fact that his child was abused. </p><p></p><p>I was not going to get into the allegations of MZB children but I will say this there is a legal deposition where Elisbeth Waters MZB secretary and maybe partner admitted under oath that Moira as a child told her that both her parents were sexually abusing her. </p><p></p><p>As for the streaming thing I will say no I am not going to carry it that far. I just won't watch it. The reason for this is while I choose not to view or purchase things I don't have the right to force my feelings on the matter on other people. </p><p></p><p>And I agree with Mallus the fact that I read, bought and enjoyed MZB work has nothing to do with what happened to her children I did not participate in the crime. Right now some are starting to sling mud at the writers who worked with MZB who got their careers started because of her. Diana Paxson is one who was close with her has had some nastiness thrown at her. Right now MZB son lives in her home Moira has spoken out that Diana knew nothing of what was going on and if she had she would have gone to the police like she did when she found out that Walter Breen was sexually abusing boys. </p><p></p><p>Those writers are not guilty by association they should not be treated like they did anything wrong and if they don't feel the need they are under no obligation to not take the royalties they make off the sales of the books that MZB co authored or edited with them. That fact some of the writers are turning the money over to charity is admirable but not necessary. </p><p></p><p>I think we can know good from bad but we have to decide what we consider bad. For me child abuse, giving money to groups that actively support the oppression of anyone is bad. Having an opinion I don't agree with like homosexuality is a sin or believing in a religion like Scientology may make think you are wrong and maybe brainwashed but it is not going be label you as bad. </p><p></p><p>I try and avoid companies that I think go beyond what I am willing to tolerate but I am logical enough to know that they way corporations work today it can be hard to know everything under there umbrella and I will admit that I am not going to research every company. And sometimes there are practical matters. I am on a fixed income my food budget is tight I go where the sales are and the prices are low and often that is Walmart. </p><p></p><p>I think activism can work but even if I think in some cases it might not make a difference except to me then sometimes that has to be enough.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 6351148, member: 9037"] It is not just anyone it his daughter and these allegations have been around since she was a child she is now an adult. You realize often in cases of sexual child abuse there is limited proof. But one thing I do know young child don't make it up on their own. In Dylan case she was either sexually abused by her father or she was emotionally abused by her mother. She is the victim here she was a child and her parents failed her. As I said my issue with Woody Allen is he is either a sexual abuser or he is a father who knew he his child was being abused and did nothing to help her. I can't watch his or Mia Farrow movies because when I sit there I think about their children suffering and that hits to close to home for me and I am not going to put myself through it. It burns me how people bend over backwards to defend him even to the point of throwing mud at Dylan who was seven years old at the time. I don't judge anyone who wants to see his movies but don't try and wash away the fact that his child was abused. I was not going to get into the allegations of MZB children but I will say this there is a legal deposition where Elisbeth Waters MZB secretary and maybe partner admitted under oath that Moira as a child told her that both her parents were sexually abusing her. As for the streaming thing I will say no I am not going to carry it that far. I just won't watch it. The reason for this is while I choose not to view or purchase things I don't have the right to force my feelings on the matter on other people. And I agree with Mallus the fact that I read, bought and enjoyed MZB work has nothing to do with what happened to her children I did not participate in the crime. Right now some are starting to sling mud at the writers who worked with MZB who got their careers started because of her. Diana Paxson is one who was close with her has had some nastiness thrown at her. Right now MZB son lives in her home Moira has spoken out that Diana knew nothing of what was going on and if she had she would have gone to the police like she did when she found out that Walter Breen was sexually abusing boys. Those writers are not guilty by association they should not be treated like they did anything wrong and if they don't feel the need they are under no obligation to not take the royalties they make off the sales of the books that MZB co authored or edited with them. That fact some of the writers are turning the money over to charity is admirable but not necessary. I think we can know good from bad but we have to decide what we consider bad. For me child abuse, giving money to groups that actively support the oppression of anyone is bad. Having an opinion I don't agree with like homosexuality is a sin or believing in a religion like Scientology may make think you are wrong and maybe brainwashed but it is not going be label you as bad. I try and avoid companies that I think go beyond what I am willing to tolerate but I am logical enough to know that they way corporations work today it can be hard to know everything under there umbrella and I will admit that I am not going to research every company. And sometimes there are practical matters. I am on a fixed income my food budget is tight I go where the sales are and the prices are low and often that is Walmart. I think activism can work but even if I think in some cases it might not make a difference except to me then sometimes that has to be enough. [/QUOTE]
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