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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4613613" data-attributes="member: 71571"><p>Well, there's only three possible situations.</p><p></p><p>Either the party has the time to 'take 20' or they do not, and either they will succeed, or they will not.</p><p></p><p>If they do not have the time, then there's no point doing so, and it's moot discussing.</p><p></p><p>If they have the time to do so, and they will succeed, in reality, they're not accomplishing a difficult task, but rather, it's a trivial task and should not require a roll in the first place. Don't bother assigning DCs, just hand wave it and move on.</p><p></p><p>If they won't succeed, then the DC was so high success was never an option, so there's again, no point assigning DCs, leave it as an open plot thread for later when they -can-.</p><p></p><p>Taking 20 was merely a way to handwave tasks that became trivial over time.</p><p></p><p>If a task is trivial, skill checks are innapropriate for it, and if a task is not trivial (re: Skill Challenge) taking 20 would have been an inappropriate way to handle it (failure of a skill challenge has a determined penalty for failure)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4613613, member: 71571"] Well, there's only three possible situations. Either the party has the time to 'take 20' or they do not, and either they will succeed, or they will not. If they do not have the time, then there's no point doing so, and it's moot discussing. If they have the time to do so, and they will succeed, in reality, they're not accomplishing a difficult task, but rather, it's a trivial task and should not require a roll in the first place. Don't bother assigning DCs, just hand wave it and move on. If they won't succeed, then the DC was so high success was never an option, so there's again, no point assigning DCs, leave it as an open plot thread for later when they -can-. Taking 20 was merely a way to handwave tasks that became trivial over time. If a task is trivial, skill checks are innapropriate for it, and if a task is not trivial (re: Skill Challenge) taking 20 would have been an inappropriate way to handle it (failure of a skill challenge has a determined penalty for failure) [/QUOTE]
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