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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 4621132" data-attributes="member: 59057"><p>In my 3.5 games taking 20 was the standard to do all things when not under pressure... but it takes time as stated: 20x normal time...</p><p> </p><p>considering that searching a 5x5 square is a standard action (3-6 secs) searching a 5x5 square thoroughly is 2 mins (as stated in the rules) so closely examine a complete dungeon is possible, but you should plan in some days of search...</p><p> </p><p>lifting a gate should be a binary check...</p><p> </p><p>lifting a gate is about DC 23... a task that only a strong adventurer can succed at... the wizard should fail no matter how much he tries... (ever seen the gamers... i don´t want such a situation on my table)</p><p> </p><p>how does that translate to 4th edition?</p><p> </p><p>I honestly don´t know...</p><p> </p><p>I would guess i will do attribute checks without level bonus... with the revision of skill DC´s (the +5 was dropped) attributes are always 5 points to low to get a good result... it is always an untrained skill check...</p><p> </p><p>taking 20 on pick locks when heroic locks are DC 20 also seems quite wrong, so i guess for untrained persons the chance of failure will be breaking the tool they used to open the lock... so no untrained fighter with dex 10 opening locks instead of just smashing it...</p><p> </p><p>taking 20 on hide checks to set an ambush... only if there is much time... but maybe its better to just use the highest roll the monsters rolled... using the lowest roll would kill most ambushes with many people involved...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 4621132, member: 59057"] In my 3.5 games taking 20 was the standard to do all things when not under pressure... but it takes time as stated: 20x normal time... considering that searching a 5x5 square is a standard action (3-6 secs) searching a 5x5 square thoroughly is 2 mins (as stated in the rules) so closely examine a complete dungeon is possible, but you should plan in some days of search... lifting a gate should be a binary check... lifting a gate is about DC 23... a task that only a strong adventurer can succed at... the wizard should fail no matter how much he tries... (ever seen the gamers... i don´t want such a situation on my table) how does that translate to 4th edition? I honestly don´t know... I would guess i will do attribute checks without level bonus... with the revision of skill DC´s (the +5 was dropped) attributes are always 5 points to low to get a good result... it is always an untrained skill check... taking 20 on pick locks when heroic locks are DC 20 also seems quite wrong, so i guess for untrained persons the chance of failure will be breaking the tool they used to open the lock... so no untrained fighter with dex 10 opening locks instead of just smashing it... taking 20 on hide checks to set an ambush... only if there is much time... but maybe its better to just use the highest roll the monsters rolled... using the lowest roll would kill most ambushes with many people involved... [/QUOTE]
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