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<blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 5909792" data-attributes="member: 51942"><p>Mango!</p><p></p><p>It's a bad comparison. I've never seen a pure caster nor a pure fighter; at least not like the premise of this question suggests.</p><p></p><p>Many of the most powerful casters tended to be semi-fighters (e.g. clerics+druids over wizards).</p><p></p><p><em>All </em>of the fighters used magic heavily, both through items, and by being buffed. The cliche quadratic wizard/linear fighter almost always conveniently ignores that.</p><p></p><p>I'm not exactly sure who needed who more, but I feel the fighters tended to need to casters more for the buffs. However, several instances in any campaign required the kind of stamina that casters simply couldn't manage. Also, we banned natural spell <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />.</p><p></p><p>So, definitely mango!</p><p></p><p>Frankly I think its unwise to emphasize the question since its inherently divisive. I don't think its an inherent problem, <em>even</em> with scaling spells; it's mostly a problem with certain spells and the general lack of flexibility in the purely martial classes. The whole idea of class balance is inane anyway: it's about player balance, not the classes, and even there balance is a dangerous notion since different players want quite different things.</p><p></p><p>After 3e I wanted more balance. After 4e I want more creative chaos. So this balance thing - well, it's not <em>wrong,</em> it's just a worryingly boring detail that's getting way too much attention for my tastes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eamon, post: 5909792, member: 51942"] Mango! It's a bad comparison. I've never seen a pure caster nor a pure fighter; at least not like the premise of this question suggests. Many of the most powerful casters tended to be semi-fighters (e.g. clerics+druids over wizards). [I]All [/I]of the fighters used magic heavily, both through items, and by being buffed. The cliche quadratic wizard/linear fighter almost always conveniently ignores that. I'm not exactly sure who needed who more, but I feel the fighters tended to need to casters more for the buffs. However, several instances in any campaign required the kind of stamina that casters simply couldn't manage. Also, we banned natural spell :p. So, definitely mango! Frankly I think its unwise to emphasize the question since its inherently divisive. I don't think its an inherent problem, [I]even[/I] with scaling spells; it's mostly a problem with certain spells and the general lack of flexibility in the purely martial classes. The whole idea of class balance is inane anyway: it's about player balance, not the classes, and even there balance is a dangerous notion since different players want quite different things. After 3e I wanted more balance. After 4e I want more creative chaos. So this balance thing - well, it's not [I]wrong,[/I] it's just a worryingly boring detail that's getting way too much attention for my tastes. [/QUOTE]
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