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<blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 3993441" data-attributes="member: 18701"><p>No...I'm advising the <strong>NPCs</strong> to be real, which is quite good advice <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> When I know that commoners in my city don't know a person is famous, then I will have them react the way a commoner would react to a person that <em>thinks</em> she's famous and is not. I was thinking in character; while you're still thinking out of character. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't notice the OP stating up front that this PCs character IS a celebrity...only that the player thinks the PC should be more of a celebrity than the DM considers her to be. I believe that players should make the type of PC that they want to make, but at some point the DM gets to put his/her foot down and say otherwise. A character concept of 'a struggling musician trying to make a name for herself' is non controlling to the game world. A character concept of 'a famous musician who's known to everyone' is an attempt at controlling the game world. You may allow that, but I require players to earn that fame in game; not just tell me that that's the way it is :\ </p><p></p><p> Yep, I agree. But I believe the DM attempted to do that. The DM already told the player that the NPCs have never heard of her PC. If at that point the player begins to argue with the DM on how the DM should run characters in the DMs game world & that these NPCs should know her PC, then I lose all respect for that person as a player. I have no patience with disruptive and demanding players like this and there's too many gamers that do this kind of stuff to a DM. If the responses are kept in-game and are logical character reactions, then I see no problem giving the PC <em>(not the player)</em> a hard time. </p><p></p><p>If I'm a player and a DM tells me via NPC that I'm not as famous as I assumed I was, then that's it...I don't freaking argue about it. I understand that I assumed too much and that the DM knows his world better than I do. I will instead think about ways to <strong>make</strong> myself famous rather than try to tell the DM how his world should work. If the PC continues to ridicule herself by acting like an ass infront of NPCs, then don't accuse the DM of being the one doing all the ridiculing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oryan77, post: 3993441, member: 18701"] No...I'm advising the [b]NPCs[/b] to be real, which is quite good advice ;) When I know that commoners in my city don't know a person is famous, then I will have them react the way a commoner would react to a person that [i]thinks[/i] she's famous and is not. I was thinking in character; while you're still thinking out of character. I didn't notice the OP stating up front that this PCs character IS a celebrity...only that the player thinks the PC should be more of a celebrity than the DM considers her to be. I believe that players should make the type of PC that they want to make, but at some point the DM gets to put his/her foot down and say otherwise. A character concept of 'a struggling musician trying to make a name for herself' is non controlling to the game world. A character concept of 'a famous musician who's known to everyone' is an attempt at controlling the game world. You may allow that, but I require players to earn that fame in game; not just tell me that that's the way it is :\ Yep, I agree. But I believe the DM attempted to do that. The DM already told the player that the NPCs have never heard of her PC. If at that point the player begins to argue with the DM on how the DM should run characters in the DMs game world & that these NPCs should know her PC, then I lose all respect for that person as a player. I have no patience with disruptive and demanding players like this and there's too many gamers that do this kind of stuff to a DM. If the responses are kept in-game and are logical character reactions, then I see no problem giving the PC [i](not the player)[/i] a hard time. If I'm a player and a DM tells me via NPC that I'm not as famous as I assumed I was, then that's it...I don't freaking argue about it. I understand that I assumed too much and that the DM knows his world better than I do. I will instead think about ways to [b]make[/b] myself famous rather than try to tell the DM how his world should work. If the PC continues to ridicule herself by acting like an ass infront of NPCs, then don't accuse the DM of being the one doing all the ridiculing. [/QUOTE]
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