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<blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8958138" data-attributes="member: 6799660"><p>In general, I agree that many shows lasted way too long (excepting the ones that were cancelled way too soon) with probably a minority of shows lasting exactly as long as they needed and going out on a high note. However, a four-year cutoff seems no better than any other, with lots of counterexamples (including the situations OP mentioned, such as the first 1-3 seasons perhaps being what one might want excluded from the whole). </p><p></p><p>Some arguments against: </p><p></p><p><em>M*A*S*H</em> would be a key example. Seasons 5+ had definitive characters and moments, from the introduction of Charles to the development of post-drag Klinger and Margaret-not-with-Frank (also significant development for Potter, BJ, and Father Mulcahy happened in seasons 5+).</p><p></p><p><em>The Wire</em> is one of those shows that most people who like it consider it one of those where all seasons were strong and it went out on top. It had five seasons. </p><p></p><p>The <em>The Sopranos</em> went on for six, and there's a little more argument on whether it dragged near the end (or just the last episode), but again 4-seasons isn't an established cut off for the high quality.</p><p></p><p>While <em>Seinfeld </em>was adamantly 'no growing' with the characters, many off the seminal episodes of the series ("The Puffy Shirt", "The Non-Fat Yogurt", "The Bottle Deposit", "The Frogger", etc.) happened in seasons 5 or later. </p><p></p><p>Seasons five+ of <em>Cheers </em>saw moving Frasier and then Lillith from a recurring characters to main cast and the introduction of Rebecca. While I generally prefer the early seasons, I think the body of sitcom work benefitted from some of seasons 5-11 existing (exactly where the cut is, I don't know). </p><p></p><p>I can't think of an important character who didn't show up until seasons 5+ on <em>Barney Miller</em>, but many of the best storylines (including some intensely ahead-of-their-time positive depictions of gay individuals) certainly did.</p><p></p><p>The quintessential show gracing 'gone on too long' lists must be <em>The Simpsons.</em> Seasons 3 & 4 are generally seen as peek quality (with episodes like "Marge vs. the Monorail" and "Homer at the Bat") seasons 5-8 had well-loved episodes like "Cape Feare," "Homie the Clown," "Mother Simpson," and "Homer's Enemy").</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Willie the Duck, post: 8958138, member: 6799660"] In general, I agree that many shows lasted way too long (excepting the ones that were cancelled way too soon) with probably a minority of shows lasting exactly as long as they needed and going out on a high note. However, a four-year cutoff seems no better than any other, with lots of counterexamples (including the situations OP mentioned, such as the first 1-3 seasons perhaps being what one might want excluded from the whole). Some arguments against: [I]M*A*S*H[/I] would be a key example. Seasons 5+ had definitive characters and moments, from the introduction of Charles to the development of post-drag Klinger and Margaret-not-with-Frank (also significant development for Potter, BJ, and Father Mulcahy happened in seasons 5+). [I]The Wire[/I] is one of those shows that most people who like it consider it one of those where all seasons were strong and it went out on top. It had five seasons. The [I]The Sopranos[/I] went on for six, and there's a little more argument on whether it dragged near the end (or just the last episode), but again 4-seasons isn't an established cut off for the high quality. While [I]Seinfeld [/I]was adamantly 'no growing' with the characters, many off the seminal episodes of the series ("The Puffy Shirt", "The Non-Fat Yogurt", "The Bottle Deposit", "The Frogger", etc.) happened in seasons 5 or later. Seasons five+ of [I]Cheers [/I]saw moving Frasier and then Lillith from a recurring characters to main cast and the introduction of Rebecca. While I generally prefer the early seasons, I think the body of sitcom work benefitted from some of seasons 5-11 existing (exactly where the cut is, I don't know). I can't think of an important character who didn't show up until seasons 5+ on [I]Barney Miller[/I], but many of the best storylines (including some intensely ahead-of-their-time positive depictions of gay individuals) certainly did. The quintessential show gracing 'gone on too long' lists must be [I]The Simpsons.[/I] Seasons 3 & 4 are generally seen as peek quality (with episodes like "Marge vs. the Monorail" and "Homer at the Bat") seasons 5-8 had well-loved episodes like "Cape Feare," "Homie the Clown," "Mother Simpson," and "Homer's Enemy"). [/QUOTE]
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