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<blockquote data-quote="OldSchoolGamerGirl" data-source="post: 9049862" data-attributes="member: 7041190"><p>Strength makes no sense in D&D.</p><p></p><p>I am in pretty good shape. I unload 30-50lbs boxes once a week at my job. I pick them up carry them about 30ft (more or less) then put them down and empty them one bottle or can at a time. Some times guys will say they will help and try to show off and lift 2 of the boxes and struggle over. </p><p>my brother is a Marine, and wont let anyone forget it. He talks about having to take 30lbs ammo boxes lift them over head and hold them for 10-15 mintues.</p><p>So I once told him "little old me and my friend here, that you can bench press could do that" and we did... it wasn't fun or easy but we did it.</p><p></p><p>My brother is built like a brick house. he hits the gym, he runs, he carries weight while running. </p><p></p><p>okay so what would you say our str scores look like? while I can move unencumbered at 50lbs but not 100lbs (at least not for long) He can lift 200lbs easy but isn't going to be running or carrying more then 150lbs any distance. </p><p></p><p>so me in darn good shape (if I do say so myself) has a str of 4 or 5, and he has a 8 or 9...</p><p></p><p>when I google the strongest men and most wight the answer I get is 1.185lbs but that is once up and down... so that is a str of 40.</p><p></p><p>so the str score puts strong normal people so low it is a penalty, and the strongest people on the planet over giants. </p><p></p><p>here are str scores and what they can do...</p><p></p><p>8 lift and carry all day 120lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 240lbs</p><p>9 lift and carry all day 135lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 270lbs</p><p>10 lift and carry all day 150lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 300lbs (already well above what any normal non weight lifter can do...but remember Marine gear is anywhere from 50-70lbs... so this is already caring two loads of Marine gear all day) </p><p>11 lift and carry all day 165lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 330lbs</p><p>12 lift and carry all day 180lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 360lbs</p><p>13 lift and carry all day 195lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 390lbs</p><p>14 lift and carry all day 210lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 420lbs (nice)</p><p>15 lift and carry all day 225lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 450lbs </p><p>16 lift and carry all day 240lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 480lbs </p><p>17 lift and carry all day 275lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 510lbs </p><p>18 lift and carry all day 290lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 540lbs </p><p>19 lift and carry all day 305lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 570lbs </p><p>20 lift and carry all day 320lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 600lbs ( i was going to stop here but barbarians might get up to 24 str with class ups)</p><p>21 lift and carry all day 335lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 630lbs </p><p>22 lift and carry all day 350lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 660lbs </p><p>23 lift and carry all day 365lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 690lbs </p><p>24 lift and carry all day 380lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 720lbs </p><p></p><p>so the marine that can run for 8 hours carrying 80lbs of gear and feel beat to you know way after wards just is too low to calculate and at least a dozen strong men that move 1,000+ lbs are better then 24 str 20th level barbarians. </p><p></p><p>Speed does this too.</p><p></p><p></p><p>30ft every 6 seconds is 300ft per minute or 18,000ft per hour. just about 3 1/2 miles per hour. D&D over land travel says with this nice chart that is more or less right:</p><p><strong>Distance Traveled per...</strong></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>Pace</td><td>Minute</td><td>Hour</td><td>Day</td><td>Effect</td></tr><tr><td>Fast</td><td>400 feet</td><td>4 miles</td><td>30 miles</td><td>-5 penalty to passive Wisdom (Perception) scores</td></tr><tr><td>Normal</td><td>300 feet</td><td>3 miles</td><td>24 miles</td><td>—</td></tr><tr><td>Slow</td><td>200 feet</td><td>2 miles</td><td>18 miles</td><td>Able to use stealth</td></tr></table><p></p><p>so again US Marine (since I hear this one all the time) have to do a 1 1/2 mile run in 13 1/12 minutes my brother brags about doing it in under 10... I doubt he could keep that up for an hour let alone a day (I am sure he would tell me he could) </p><p>Google tells me a 10 mile run in 45 minutes is spitting distance to the world record.</p><p></p><p>okay so lets say I multi class barbarian with rogue, and am the elf with +5ft movement for a movement of 45 BUT cunning action double move to 90ft.so 3x the speed of the above chart so normal is 9 miles an hour and 72 miles a day...</p><p>lets say I am a slow guy, I only move 20 (not something D&D actually does you can't be slow but hey) then that would lower those numbers...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="OldSchoolGamerGirl, post: 9049862, member: 7041190"] Strength makes no sense in D&D. I am in pretty good shape. I unload 30-50lbs boxes once a week at my job. I pick them up carry them about 30ft (more or less) then put them down and empty them one bottle or can at a time. Some times guys will say they will help and try to show off and lift 2 of the boxes and struggle over. my brother is a Marine, and wont let anyone forget it. He talks about having to take 30lbs ammo boxes lift them over head and hold them for 10-15 mintues. So I once told him "little old me and my friend here, that you can bench press could do that" and we did... it wasn't fun or easy but we did it. My brother is built like a brick house. he hits the gym, he runs, he carries weight while running. okay so what would you say our str scores look like? while I can move unencumbered at 50lbs but not 100lbs (at least not for long) He can lift 200lbs easy but isn't going to be running or carrying more then 150lbs any distance. so me in darn good shape (if I do say so myself) has a str of 4 or 5, and he has a 8 or 9... when I google the strongest men and most wight the answer I get is 1.185lbs but that is once up and down... so that is a str of 40. so the str score puts strong normal people so low it is a penalty, and the strongest people on the planet over giants. here are str scores and what they can do... 8 lift and carry all day 120lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 240lbs 9 lift and carry all day 135lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 270lbs 10 lift and carry all day 150lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 300lbs (already well above what any normal non weight lifter can do...but remember Marine gear is anywhere from 50-70lbs... so this is already caring two loads of Marine gear all day) 11 lift and carry all day 165lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 330lbs 12 lift and carry all day 180lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 360lbs 13 lift and carry all day 195lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 390lbs 14 lift and carry all day 210lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 420lbs (nice) 15 lift and carry all day 225lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 450lbs 16 lift and carry all day 240lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 480lbs 17 lift and carry all day 275lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 510lbs 18 lift and carry all day 290lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 540lbs 19 lift and carry all day 305lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 570lbs 20 lift and carry all day 320lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 600lbs ( i was going to stop here but barbarians might get up to 24 str with class ups) 21 lift and carry all day 335lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 630lbs 22 lift and carry all day 350lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 660lbs 23 lift and carry all day 365lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 690lbs 24 lift and carry all day 380lbs, or lift and drag to "show off" 720lbs so the marine that can run for 8 hours carrying 80lbs of gear and feel beat to you know way after wards just is too low to calculate and at least a dozen strong men that move 1,000+ lbs are better then 24 str 20th level barbarians. Speed does this too. 30ft every 6 seconds is 300ft per minute or 18,000ft per hour. just about 3 1/2 miles per hour. D&D over land travel says with this nice chart that is more or less right: [B]Distance Traveled per...[/B] [TABLE] [TR] [TD]Pace[/TD] [TD]Minute[/TD] [TD]Hour[/TD] [TD]Day[/TD] [TD]Effect[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fast[/TD] [TD]400 feet[/TD] [TD]4 miles[/TD] [TD]30 miles[/TD] [TD]-5 penalty to passive Wisdom (Perception) scores[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Normal[/TD] [TD]300 feet[/TD] [TD]3 miles[/TD] [TD]24 miles[/TD] [TD]—[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Slow[/TD] [TD]200 feet[/TD] [TD]2 miles[/TD] [TD]18 miles[/TD] [TD]Able to use stealth[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] so again US Marine (since I hear this one all the time) have to do a 1 1/2 mile run in 13 1/12 minutes my brother brags about doing it in under 10... I doubt he could keep that up for an hour let alone a day (I am sure he would tell me he could) Google tells me a 10 mile run in 45 minutes is spitting distance to the world record. okay so lets say I multi class barbarian with rogue, and am the elf with +5ft movement for a movement of 45 BUT cunning action double move to 90ft.so 3x the speed of the above chart so normal is 9 miles an hour and 72 miles a day... lets say I am a slow guy, I only move 20 (not something D&D actually does you can't be slow but hey) then that would lower those numbers... [/QUOTE]
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