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<blockquote data-quote="hbarsquared" data-source="post: 6709715" data-attributes="member: 4550"><p>Perhaps a list of points everyone can agree on?</p><p></p><p>- Anyone can be a jerk, and anyone that considers their own playstyle to be superior and to be emulated by all others, and/or all other playstyles to be badwrongfun, is a jerk.</p><p></p><p>- An "Optimizer" can be a jerk as much as an "Actor" can be a jerk. I've even seen jerk Casual Players.</p><p></p><p>- Different people want different things from the table and from the game. Sometimes there can be compromise. Sometimes not. When not, perhaps it's time to find a different group with common interests. </p><p></p><p>Are we good, so far? Good.</p><p></p><p>- "Optimizing" means many things to many people. Some examples, all of which I would call "optimizing," to some degree.</p><p></p><p>- Breaking the game and creating Pun-pun.</p><p>- The level-by-level and feat-by-feat creation of the best grappler.</p><p>- One interpretation on the best Indiana Jones.</p><p>- How to get the greatest damage out of cloudkill.</p><p>- Suggested spell list for the most versatile illusionist.</p><p>- What are the advantages/disadvantages of magic missile vs sleep?</p><p>- A blind dwarf monk, half-orc paladin, or wizard with rolled abilities no greater than 12 - hiw to make the most effective?</p><p>- A "Master Chef" or "Orphan Boy" or "Craftsman/Architect" character concept and finding the mechanics that can best exemplify the concept.</p><p></p><p>Optimizing can simply mean starting with a Goal, and utilizing the mechanics to best fulfill that goal. Thr goal can be DPR, counterspelling, or action-prevention. The goal may also be a unique character concept, a creative limitation, or a theoretical exercise.</p><p></p><p>The point is, back to the original point made hy the thread, the CharOp forums are useful and are referenced by a variety of people. Optimization does not ruin the gane, neither will it ruin ENWorld. Many reference those threads, from those trying to choose spells for their first wizard, or feats for their first fighter, or hardcore minmaxers getting the most dpr, or storytellers finding the best expression for their pacifist librarian.</p><p></p><p>So, yeah, I'm glad those CharOp guides are bring saved and brought to ENWorld. They're entertaining, useful, and informative - for all types of players.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hbarsquared, post: 6709715, member: 4550"] Perhaps a list of points everyone can agree on? - Anyone can be a jerk, and anyone that considers their own playstyle to be superior and to be emulated by all others, and/or all other playstyles to be badwrongfun, is a jerk. - An "Optimizer" can be a jerk as much as an "Actor" can be a jerk. I've even seen jerk Casual Players. - Different people want different things from the table and from the game. Sometimes there can be compromise. Sometimes not. When not, perhaps it's time to find a different group with common interests. Are we good, so far? Good. - "Optimizing" means many things to many people. Some examples, all of which I would call "optimizing," to some degree. - Breaking the game and creating Pun-pun. - The level-by-level and feat-by-feat creation of the best grappler. - One interpretation on the best Indiana Jones. - How to get the greatest damage out of cloudkill. - Suggested spell list for the most versatile illusionist. - What are the advantages/disadvantages of magic missile vs sleep? - A blind dwarf monk, half-orc paladin, or wizard with rolled abilities no greater than 12 - hiw to make the most effective? - A "Master Chef" or "Orphan Boy" or "Craftsman/Architect" character concept and finding the mechanics that can best exemplify the concept. Optimizing can simply mean starting with a Goal, and utilizing the mechanics to best fulfill that goal. Thr goal can be DPR, counterspelling, or action-prevention. The goal may also be a unique character concept, a creative limitation, or a theoretical exercise. The point is, back to the original point made hy the thread, the CharOp forums are useful and are referenced by a variety of people. Optimization does not ruin the gane, neither will it ruin ENWorld. Many reference those threads, from those trying to choose spells for their first wizard, or feats for their first fighter, or hardcore minmaxers getting the most dpr, or storytellers finding the best expression for their pacifist librarian. So, yeah, I'm glad those CharOp guides are bring saved and brought to ENWorld. They're entertaining, useful, and informative - for all types of players. [/QUOTE]
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