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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6412582" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>it is a role playing game... we play a role... I don't understand why I can't play a role that I am not good at but the character is... oh wait I can as long as what I am no good at is combat...</p><p></p><p>player A is an Olympic fenser who can run a mile in just over the world record and jump like a kangaroo, but sucks at mystery and if he makes a smart but not tough character then his character sucks at both (because he himself can't use his skills)</p><p></p><p>player B can't throw a piece of garbage into a can 3 feet away, can't run a mile with out collapseing and is super smart with an edetic memory and really good at mystories... he can make a combat monster PC and be good at BOTH because his skills match what you make people metagame...</p><p></p><p>if fair is using out of game skill for B why not let A use his combat and physical real life skill???</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> me too, except I often just say "Oh it's X" no roll needed...</p><p></p><p></p><p> and if all decisions are made out of game instead of in game they aren't role playing at all...</p><p></p><p></p><p> again... bad. </p><p></p><p>player A is an investigator with maxed out skills, but can't think to ask the right quastions...</p><p></p><p>player B has no skills other then physical but figures out the trick quick...</p><p></p><p>in a ROLE playing game player A IN game should get it... he is playing Sherlock and player B is playing Conan... but again out of game skill is all that matters... until a fight.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree 100%</p><p></p><p></p><p>I always give in game speaches and figure things out quick... when I first ran a game with Joe, he wouldn't try to talk to anyone, infact he refused to play a character with CHa above 13... because he had a DM who made him "Plya out what he says" and he hated that I could. You know what I told him... try, just take the skills. </p><p></p><p>to this day Joe says things like "Can I pull a leverage like Bluff" or "Can I diplomancy this" and me or Kurt pick up with "Oh, you could totally do X or Y" then he picks and rolls. It lets him play a bard...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>like Joe... who would say "Can I use cha to blackmail him but without pissing him off"</p><p></p><p></p><p> that wasn't the example though... it was "Can I roll X to figure it out?"</p><p></p><p>my head would explode and I would be baned from this board if I used every word I am thinking right now.. so I will instead quote praxis</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6412582, member: 67338"] it is a role playing game... we play a role... I don't understand why I can't play a role that I am not good at but the character is... oh wait I can as long as what I am no good at is combat... player A is an Olympic fenser who can run a mile in just over the world record and jump like a kangaroo, but sucks at mystery and if he makes a smart but not tough character then his character sucks at both (because he himself can't use his skills) player B can't throw a piece of garbage into a can 3 feet away, can't run a mile with out collapseing and is super smart with an edetic memory and really good at mystories... he can make a combat monster PC and be good at BOTH because his skills match what you make people metagame... if fair is using out of game skill for B why not let A use his combat and physical real life skill??? me too, except I often just say "Oh it's X" no roll needed... and if all decisions are made out of game instead of in game they aren't role playing at all... again... bad. player A is an investigator with maxed out skills, but can't think to ask the right quastions... player B has no skills other then physical but figures out the trick quick... in a ROLE playing game player A IN game should get it... he is playing Sherlock and player B is playing Conan... but again out of game skill is all that matters... until a fight. I agree 100% I always give in game speaches and figure things out quick... when I first ran a game with Joe, he wouldn't try to talk to anyone, infact he refused to play a character with CHa above 13... because he had a DM who made him "Plya out what he says" and he hated that I could. You know what I told him... try, just take the skills. to this day Joe says things like "Can I pull a leverage like Bluff" or "Can I diplomancy this" and me or Kurt pick up with "Oh, you could totally do X or Y" then he picks and rolls. It lets him play a bard... like Joe... who would say "Can I use cha to blackmail him but without pissing him off" that wasn't the example though... it was "Can I roll X to figure it out?" my head would explode and I would be baned from this board if I used every word I am thinking right now.. so I will instead quote praxis [/QUOTE]
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