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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6421646" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>But in your playstyle (And if I am mis-interpreting please correct me) the players also have an entire world to play with... Anything undefined by you is up for grabs, so while you may get first go at the world you don't get that to yourself. I didn't mention anything about PC details being rewritten, I'm speaking to the same thing you are... undetermined details. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I never said they did, again I am speaking to the same thing as you. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, I don't think this is being assumed... though you've addressed it 3 times now, it's why I asked about the limits... but you've flat out said the DM gets no type of narrative/authorial control over PC's in your game... so does this distinction even matter iof the amswer is a blanket no?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My question is why are these non-established details not up for grabs for the DM when they are about a character? </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Even the direct input upon the world that you claim the DM has is tempered, limited and shaped by the player's characters. Now I've seen you advocate strongly for the position of DM's saying yes and allowing anything the player wants at character creation, so I take it with a hefty grain of salt when you now turn around and use this as a way DM's have power (and again not narrative or authorial control which is what we are speaking to) over a character in your playstyle. </p><p></p><p>That aside, you still haven't given me a real reason for why authorial and narrative control shouldn't be shared equally as opposed to the DM giving up his "playground" but the player's having their own untouchable piece and still getting to play in the DM's playground as well. You say the DM can simply ask the player, but I am asking do you advocate the player being as open to minor changes and the filling in of details for their PC by the DM as you seem to be for the DM allowing players to do the same to the world? I assume not since you stated earlier there is a very tightly defined box around the players characters... but again I don't understand why. If I am to believe that we are all making changes for the betterment of the game, whay can't the DM be trusted (like every other player) to do the same... even when it comes to the PC's in his game?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6421646, member: 48965"] But in your playstyle (And if I am mis-interpreting please correct me) the players also have an entire world to play with... Anything undefined by you is up for grabs, so while you may get first go at the world you don't get that to yourself. I didn't mention anything about PC details being rewritten, I'm speaking to the same thing you are... undetermined details. I never said they did, again I am speaking to the same thing as you. Again, I don't think this is being assumed... though you've addressed it 3 times now, it's why I asked about the limits... but you've flat out said the DM gets no type of narrative/authorial control over PC's in your game... so does this distinction even matter iof the amswer is a blanket no? My question is why are these non-established details not up for grabs for the DM when they are about a character? Even the direct input upon the world that you claim the DM has is tempered, limited and shaped by the player's characters. Now I've seen you advocate strongly for the position of DM's saying yes and allowing anything the player wants at character creation, so I take it with a hefty grain of salt when you now turn around and use this as a way DM's have power (and again not narrative or authorial control which is what we are speaking to) over a character in your playstyle. That aside, you still haven't given me a real reason for why authorial and narrative control shouldn't be shared equally as opposed to the DM giving up his "playground" but the player's having their own untouchable piece and still getting to play in the DM's playground as well. You say the DM can simply ask the player, but I am asking do you advocate the player being as open to minor changes and the filling in of details for their PC by the DM as you seem to be for the DM allowing players to do the same to the world? I assume not since you stated earlier there is a very tightly defined box around the players characters... but again I don't understand why. If I am to believe that we are all making changes for the betterment of the game, whay can't the DM be trusted (like every other player) to do the same... even when it comes to the PC's in his game? [/QUOTE]
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