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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 9064410" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>Right, but we <em>have</em> more. Admittedly, not about the yelling specifically, but about the overall workplace environment under her leadership, as you (sort of) acknowledge below:</p><p></p><p>That's only <em>part</em> of what he said. Here's the full text of the quote with regards to fear:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The second sentence says that people were afraid to say no to her, and admittedly he characterizes that as being due to her reputation. But even if we write that off (which I don't think we really can, but for this discussion we'll overlook that), that doesn't speak to the first sentence, which doesn't try to soften or explain the fact that people were (so) afraid of her. Full stop.</p><p></p><p>Now, I suppose you can say that the second sentence is an explanation of the first, placing it in greater context, but that's honestly not how it reads to me. He's saying that people were afraid of her, and as a parallel to that, he's also saying that they were afraid to say no to her. Take away the part about being afraid to say no, and they were still afraid of her.</p><p></p><p>Honestly though, even that feels like unnecessary nitpicking. If the people are afraid of the boss (and there's no suggestion that this was at the beginning of her career there, before she was a known element), then the reaction to that shouldn't be "we don't know what that <em>really</em> means." It should be "YIKES!!!"</p><p></p><p>But apparently that's just me.</p><p></p><p>I would suggest that the lived experiences of the people who worked for her are something that we should take seriously. You can choose to focus on the good over the bad, of course, but I don't think it's out of left field to say that when words like "afraid" and "yelling" come into the picture, "toxic" is the right label to apply.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 9064410, member: 8461"] Right, but we [i]have[/i] more. Admittedly, not about the yelling specifically, but about the overall workplace environment under her leadership, as you (sort of) acknowledge below: That's only [i]part[/i] of what he said. Here's the full text of the quote with regards to fear: [I][/I] The second sentence says that people were afraid to say no to her, and admittedly he characterizes that as being due to her reputation. But even if we write that off (which I don't think we really can, but for this discussion we'll overlook that), that doesn't speak to the first sentence, which doesn't try to soften or explain the fact that people were (so) afraid of her. Full stop. Now, I suppose you can say that the second sentence is an explanation of the first, placing it in greater context, but that's honestly not how it reads to me. He's saying that people were afraid of her, and as a parallel to that, he's also saying that they were afraid to say no to her. Take away the part about being afraid to say no, and they were still afraid of her. Honestly though, even that feels like unnecessary nitpicking. If the people are afraid of the boss (and there's no suggestion that this was at the beginning of her career there, before she was a known element), then the reaction to that shouldn't be "we don't know what that [i]really[/i] means." It should be "YIKES!!!" But apparently that's just me. I would suggest that the lived experiences of the people who worked for her are something that we should take seriously. You can choose to focus on the good over the bad, of course, but I don't think it's out of left field to say that when words like "afraid" and "yelling" come into the picture, "toxic" is the right label to apply. [/QUOTE]
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