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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6658797" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>You are allowed youe own opinion, of course. But policy should be based on as few opinions as possible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You didn't say so explicitly, no. But, there's an assumption in your logic. You said that if the US crime rate was only differentiated from other countries by guns, then our non-gun crime rates should be the same as those in other nations. I'm telling you that isn't necessarily so. The presence of guns may impact the non-gun crime rate. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because I do not like unsupported, qualitative assertions in policy discussions. It is not enough to say it is more - we should show *how much*, and what the numbers are. Doing so takes mere minutes, and keeps our discussion more firmly grounded in data than in opinion. This helps keep the egos and emotions out of the matter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Per my above statement... <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>The CDC reports that, from 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. There were an additional 347 boating-related drownings each year.</p><p></p><p>The CDC says there were 591 accidental gun deaths in 2011. 102 of these deaths were under 18, and half of these were under 13 years old. It is not currently known in how many of these accidental deaths it was a child that pulled the trigger.</p><p></p><p>I agree, it is pretty easy to avoid the accidents. You avoid many of them by keeping your gun locked up. This basic piece of gun safety rather eliminates one of the major stated reasons for allowing so many guns in the populace - home defense. If an invader is going to harm you, he isn't going to wait for you to get your gun out of the safe. If he isn't going to harm you, and is only going to take off with the TV, while you technically have the right to defend your property, I question the risk analysis that has you dragging out a gun to keep the Samsung where it is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6658797, member: 177"] You are allowed youe own opinion, of course. But policy should be based on as few opinions as possible. You didn't say so explicitly, no. But, there's an assumption in your logic. You said that if the US crime rate was only differentiated from other countries by guns, then our non-gun crime rates should be the same as those in other nations. I'm telling you that isn't necessarily so. The presence of guns may impact the non-gun crime rate. Because I do not like unsupported, qualitative assertions in policy discussions. It is not enough to say it is more - we should show *how much*, and what the numbers are. Doing so takes mere minutes, and keeps our discussion more firmly grounded in data than in opinion. This helps keep the egos and emotions out of the matter. Per my above statement... :) The CDC reports that, from 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. There were an additional 347 boating-related drownings each year. The CDC says there were 591 accidental gun deaths in 2011. 102 of these deaths were under 18, and half of these were under 13 years old. It is not currently known in how many of these accidental deaths it was a child that pulled the trigger. I agree, it is pretty easy to avoid the accidents. You avoid many of them by keeping your gun locked up. This basic piece of gun safety rather eliminates one of the major stated reasons for allowing so many guns in the populace - home defense. If an invader is going to harm you, he isn't going to wait for you to get your gun out of the safe. If he isn't going to harm you, and is only going to take off with the TV, while you technically have the right to defend your property, I question the risk analysis that has you dragging out a gun to keep the Samsung where it is. [/QUOTE]
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