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<blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 747859" data-attributes="member: 6875"><p>BULL.</p><p></p><p>I've been running an Arena-style game for less than a week now, and MULTIPLE people have commented on "taking one level of ranger for the two-weapon thing" -- IOW, for MOST people, <strong>one</strong> level of ranger is sufficient.</p><p></p><p>That's the DEFINITION of front-loaded.</p><p></p><p>A lot of the Ranger's "schtick" abilities come right there, at first leel -- track, free ambidex/two-weapon in light armor, and hte first favored enemy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How about, it hasn't caught on because it's not the truth?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Barbarians have to wait for uncanny dodge, Greater Rage, and damage reduction.</p><p></p><p>Monks have to wait for Slow Fall, Deflect arrows, Improved Trip, Still mind, gods, LOADS of stuff.</p><p></p><p>Sorcerors have to wait for 2d level spells, 3d level spells, 4th level spells, etc. Ditto for Wizards. Dittofor Clerics.</p><p></p><p>Rogues have to wait for higher Sneak Attack levels, Evasion, Uncanny Dodge, and their higher-level Special Abilities.</p><p></p><p>What do rangers wait for? A little bit of spellcasting, and some new favored enemies. They get all THREE feats <b>right up front</b> ... then nothing.</p><p></p><p>They need more down the road, paid for by a BIT less up front.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And the majority of them reward you equally as much for takign a SECOND level in that class.</p><p></p><p>Ranger doesn't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Um, DUH. That's what "front loaded" means. Not "overpowered" but "everything up front, nothing to look forward to" ...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How about -- why do ALL monks learn Improved Trip at 2d level for free? Why can't mind learn Improved Disarm instead?</p><p></p><p>Why do ALL monks learn Deflect Arrows at 4th ... why can't MINE learn Improved Initiative instead?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pax, post: 747859, member: 6875"] BULL. I've been running an Arena-style game for less than a week now, and MULTIPLE people have commented on "taking one level of ranger for the two-weapon thing" -- IOW, for MOST people, [b]one[/b] level of ranger is sufficient. That's the DEFINITION of front-loaded. A lot of the Ranger's "schtick" abilities come right there, at first leel -- track, free ambidex/two-weapon in light armor, and hte first favored enemy. How about, it hasn't caught on because it's not the truth? Barbarians have to wait for uncanny dodge, Greater Rage, and damage reduction. Monks have to wait for Slow Fall, Deflect arrows, Improved Trip, Still mind, gods, LOADS of stuff. Sorcerors have to wait for 2d level spells, 3d level spells, 4th level spells, etc. Ditto for Wizards. Dittofor Clerics. Rogues have to wait for higher Sneak Attack levels, Evasion, Uncanny Dodge, and their higher-level Special Abilities. What do rangers wait for? A little bit of spellcasting, and some new favored enemies. They get all THREE feats <b>right up front</b> ... then nothing. They need more down the road, paid for by a BIT less up front. And the majority of them reward you equally as much for takign a SECOND level in that class. Ranger doesn't. Um, DUH. That's what "front loaded" means. Not "overpowered" but "everything up front, nothing to look forward to" ... How about -- why do ALL monks learn Improved Trip at 2d level for free? Why can't mind learn Improved Disarm instead? Why do ALL monks learn Deflect Arrows at 4th ... why can't MINE learn Improved Initiative instead? [/QUOTE]
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