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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8059808" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>You both hit on a point, but you are looking at this in terms of "what went wrong" instead of thinking about it like this. </p><p></p><p>It was a DM call. And as the player, unless I wanted to argue that I shouldn't even have to make a check at all, I had to abide by the DMs call. </p><p></p><p>Right, Wrong, or Left it doesn't matter. The system leaves this up to the DM, and I as a player either have to follow the DM, or try and game the DM instead of the system. And since DMs are variable, we end up in this situation. Where someone says you can use Strength to Intimidate, or Intelligence to Deceive. Another says that this plan wouldn't even require a roll and would auto-succeed, still another calls for a charisma check, or in a fourth variation it auto-fails.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would also point out, that a lot of this evolves. In another game, I built a bounty hunter ranger. I was expecting from the campaign description a game about going into the woods and hunting monsters. </p><p></p><p>Instead we have been involved in the politics of the city, the politics of a fey court, and my character has been getting more and more involved because two people are playing very gullible people, and the others are playing people who don't care.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8059808, member: 6801228"] You both hit on a point, but you are looking at this in terms of "what went wrong" instead of thinking about it like this. It was a DM call. And as the player, unless I wanted to argue that I shouldn't even have to make a check at all, I had to abide by the DMs call. Right, Wrong, or Left it doesn't matter. The system leaves this up to the DM, and I as a player either have to follow the DM, or try and game the DM instead of the system. And since DMs are variable, we end up in this situation. Where someone says you can use Strength to Intimidate, or Intelligence to Deceive. Another says that this plan wouldn't even require a roll and would auto-succeed, still another calls for a charisma check, or in a fourth variation it auto-fails. I would also point out, that a lot of this evolves. In another game, I built a bounty hunter ranger. I was expecting from the campaign description a game about going into the woods and hunting monsters. Instead we have been involved in the politics of the city, the politics of a fey court, and my character has been getting more and more involved because two people are playing very gullible people, and the others are playing people who don't care. [/QUOTE]
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