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<blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 4758873" data-attributes="member: 29746"><p>No, actually it's -16, as I put it. I don't know where you guys are getting this -18, but it isn't from the IH Bestiary or from following the patterns established in the rules. Titanic is one size above Colossal, and the attack/AC mods for all sizes above Medium follow a pattern of penalties increasing by powers of 2. -1, -2, -4, -8 are Large, Huge, Gargantuan, and Colossal. Next in the list is -16, and after that, -32. Hide modifiers for size are based on the pattern of -4 per size above Medium, so that puts Titanic at -20, and size modifiers to Grapple are based on a pattern of +4 per size above Medium, so Titanic has +20.</p><p></p><p>Attack types are a good start. The monster certainly uses its Bite during the movie, and it does occasionally attack with forelegs, though UK didn't use that for an attack in the 4E version. I would make the switch that the Bite is the primary natural attack and the Claws secondary, though that's really an aesthetic choice- the only real effect would be that it gets its full +21 STR bonus on the Bite and only +10 for each Claw. It also needs the Snatch feat since it does snatch victims with the Bite more than once during the movie.</p><p></p><p>We do need to give it a Tail attack though; as I mentioned in my first post in this thread the monster mainly uses its tail when it demolishes the Brooklyn Bridge. If we only pick one of its attacks to give Improved Natural Attack, I'd suggest it should be that one since it gets used to devastating effect several times in the movie. Suggested dice base for the Tail is 2d8 for a Titanic creature, which would yield 2d8+31 damage I think? Tails are effectively two-handed weapons for STR damage, aren't they? If it has Improved Natural Attack (Tail), then that becomes 4d6+31 which is respectable.</p><p></p><p>UK also gave the 4E version an attack with the feeding tubes; I don't personally remember the monster doing anything with those during the movie, but it's not like we're limited to four attacks in 3.5 so if nothing else it could be added as a Special Attack. Oh, and speaking of specials, the monster definitely needs Trample and Frightful Presence, the latter mainly because the 4E version has it. It also should probably have some summon-like ability to create or slough off the minion critters (the 4E version calls it Infestation); those were a major part of the movie and quite a menace to those who were well away from the monster itself.</p><p></p><p>It may be worth statting up what a Mob of the minions looks like, in addition to the minions themselves- there is an open-content set of rules for Mobs (which is to say, Swarms of creatures above size Tiny) somewhere, isn't there? WotC published one that I don't think was ever added to the SRD, but I know they weren't the first to do it. Somebody else did a "bigswarm" earlier, and made it OGC. I just don't remember who or what it was called.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="paradox42, post: 4758873, member: 29746"] No, actually it's -16, as I put it. I don't know where you guys are getting this -18, but it isn't from the IH Bestiary or from following the patterns established in the rules. Titanic is one size above Colossal, and the attack/AC mods for all sizes above Medium follow a pattern of penalties increasing by powers of 2. -1, -2, -4, -8 are Large, Huge, Gargantuan, and Colossal. Next in the list is -16, and after that, -32. Hide modifiers for size are based on the pattern of -4 per size above Medium, so that puts Titanic at -20, and size modifiers to Grapple are based on a pattern of +4 per size above Medium, so Titanic has +20. Attack types are a good start. The monster certainly uses its Bite during the movie, and it does occasionally attack with forelegs, though UK didn't use that for an attack in the 4E version. I would make the switch that the Bite is the primary natural attack and the Claws secondary, though that's really an aesthetic choice- the only real effect would be that it gets its full +21 STR bonus on the Bite and only +10 for each Claw. It also needs the Snatch feat since it does snatch victims with the Bite more than once during the movie. We do need to give it a Tail attack though; as I mentioned in my first post in this thread the monster mainly uses its tail when it demolishes the Brooklyn Bridge. If we only pick one of its attacks to give Improved Natural Attack, I'd suggest it should be that one since it gets used to devastating effect several times in the movie. Suggested dice base for the Tail is 2d8 for a Titanic creature, which would yield 2d8+31 damage I think? Tails are effectively two-handed weapons for STR damage, aren't they? If it has Improved Natural Attack (Tail), then that becomes 4d6+31 which is respectable. UK also gave the 4E version an attack with the feeding tubes; I don't personally remember the monster doing anything with those during the movie, but it's not like we're limited to four attacks in 3.5 so if nothing else it could be added as a Special Attack. Oh, and speaking of specials, the monster definitely needs Trample and Frightful Presence, the latter mainly because the 4E version has it. It also should probably have some summon-like ability to create or slough off the minion critters (the 4E version calls it Infestation); those were a major part of the movie and quite a menace to those who were well away from the monster itself. It may be worth statting up what a Mob of the minions looks like, in addition to the minions themselves- there is an open-content set of rules for Mobs (which is to say, Swarms of creatures above size Tiny) somewhere, isn't there? WotC published one that I don't think was ever added to the SRD, but I know they weren't the first to do it. Somebody else did a "bigswarm" earlier, and made it OGC. I just don't remember who or what it was called. [/QUOTE]
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