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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7191032" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Quibble: you keep contrast 5e to 'in d20' - 5e is a d20 game, it has an SRD. </p><p>What you mean is 3.x/PF, since that's the other ed with metamagic.</p><p></p><p> 'Enlarge' spell never made sense to me, the name, I mean. :shrug: </p><p></p><p> The 'increased the save DC' from Heightened Spell in 3.x is what all spells get, for free, in 5e. DCs are not based on spell level anymore, nor even on slot level - so all your spells use the same DC, which is based on Proficiency, which is based on character level. </p><p></p><p>In 3.x, if you wanted to cast a low-level spell with the same DC as your highest-level spell, you needed the Heighten Feat and you needed to use that highest-level slot - in 5e, you automatically get the higher DC for free, and you can up-cast any spell in a higher level slot, too. In effect 3.x Heighten is free to all casters in 5e, so they 5e Heighten had to do something else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7191032, member: 996"] Quibble: you keep contrast 5e to 'in d20' - 5e is a d20 game, it has an SRD. What you mean is 3.x/PF, since that's the other ed with metamagic. 'Enlarge' spell never made sense to me, the name, I mean. :shrug: The 'increased the save DC' from Heightened Spell in 3.x is what all spells get, for free, in 5e. DCs are not based on spell level anymore, nor even on slot level - so all your spells use the same DC, which is based on Proficiency, which is based on character level. In 3.x, if you wanted to cast a low-level spell with the same DC as your highest-level spell, you needed the Heighten Feat and you needed to use that highest-level slot - in 5e, you automatically get the higher DC for free, and you can up-cast any spell in a higher level slot, too. In effect 3.x Heighten is free to all casters in 5e, so they 5e Heighten had to do something else. [/QUOTE]
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