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<blockquote data-quote="Revinor" data-source="post: 4343471" data-attributes="member: 25037"><p>To be honest I don't like it.</p><p></p><p>Way too verbose. RefIDs are ugly. Versioning is nice idea, but won't work in practice anymore (what fun it will be to have a character with feats from 6 different versions of core rules and having to copy full reference inheritance each time).</p><p></p><p>To take an example</p><p>[code]</p><p><Feat ID="ID_798c55d8-3d49-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66"></p><p> <Name>Enlarged Dragon Breath</Name></p><p></p><p> <SourceInfo></p><p> <SourceMaterial RefID="ID_29636b80-43a1-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66">Player's Handbook</SourceMaterial></p><p></p><p> <SourceDataSet RefID="ID_1d315f90-3d3c-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66"></p><p> <Name>CoreSet</Name></p><p> <Version>2008.06.06.0000</Version></p><p> </SourceDataSet></p><p> </SourceInfo></p><p> <DefaultCampaign RefID="ID_4c61dc70-3cb2-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66">None</DefaultCampaign></p><p> <FeatTier IDRef="ID_87ab9f01-3d5c-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66">Heroic</FeatTier></p><p> <FeatType IDRef="ID_a1c68552-3d46-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66">Racial (Dragonborn)</FeatType></p><p></p><p> <FeatPrerequisites></p><p> <FeatPrerequisite></p><p> <Race RefID="ID_c85ef1a2-3318-11dd-bd11-0800200c9a66">Dragonborn</Race></p><p> </FeatPrerequisite></p><p></p><p> <FeatPrerequisite></p><p> <Power RefID="ID_73747a80-3ee1-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66">Dragon Breath</Power></p><p> </FeatPrerequisite></p><p> </FeatPrerequisites></p><p></Feat></p><p>[/code]</p><p></p><p></p><p>Could be done as something like</p><p></p><p>[code]</p><p><Feat id="PHB1:EnlargedDragonBreath"></p><p> <Name>Enlarged Dragon Breath</Name></p><p> <Source book="PHB1" page="178">Player's Handbook 1, page 178</Source></p><p> <Tier>Heroic</Tier></p><p> <Category type="racial" subtype="PHB1:Dragonborn">Racial (Dragonborn)</Type></p><p> <Prerequisites></p><p> <Race id="PHB1:Dragonborn">Dragonborn</Race></p><p> <Power id="PHB1:DragonBreath">Dragon Breath</Power></p><p> </Prerequisites></p><p></Feat></p><p>[/code]</p><p></p><p>Basically, differences in my proposal are as follows:</p><p>a) no possibility to have more than one version of same ability/feat/etc - I see it as a major benefit, allowing transparent updates as one of the effects</p><p>b) human readable ids</p><p>c) namespace of ids reserved only per type (feat, race, power, etc), not global</p><p>d) Getting rid of all the source info duplicated in every entry</p><p>e) bit of duplication of data in attributes, to have attributes machine-parseable in addition to full text for thin clients</p><p>f) more context-oriented naming, no need to wrap <Race> inside <Prerequisites> into <Prerequisite></p><p></p><p>I don't expect you to take any action on that - I just wanted to vent my frustration on some xml schemas which were designed to be machine generated and everybody ended up typing them by hand even a year later...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Revinor, post: 4343471, member: 25037"] To be honest I don't like it. Way too verbose. RefIDs are ugly. Versioning is nice idea, but won't work in practice anymore (what fun it will be to have a character with feats from 6 different versions of core rules and having to copy full reference inheritance each time). To take an example [code] <Feat ID="ID_798c55d8-3d49-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66"> <Name>Enlarged Dragon Breath</Name> <SourceInfo> <SourceMaterial RefID="ID_29636b80-43a1-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66">Player's Handbook</SourceMaterial> <SourceDataSet RefID="ID_1d315f90-3d3c-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66"> <Name>CoreSet</Name> <Version>2008.06.06.0000</Version> </SourceDataSet> </SourceInfo> <DefaultCampaign RefID="ID_4c61dc70-3cb2-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66">None</DefaultCampaign> <FeatTier IDRef="ID_87ab9f01-3d5c-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66">Heroic</FeatTier> <FeatType IDRef="ID_a1c68552-3d46-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66">Racial (Dragonborn)</FeatType> <FeatPrerequisites> <FeatPrerequisite> <Race RefID="ID_c85ef1a2-3318-11dd-bd11-0800200c9a66">Dragonborn</Race> </FeatPrerequisite> <FeatPrerequisite> <Power RefID="ID_73747a80-3ee1-11dd-ae16-0800200c9a66">Dragon Breath</Power> </FeatPrerequisite> </FeatPrerequisites> </Feat> [/code] Could be done as something like [code] <Feat id="PHB1:EnlargedDragonBreath"> <Name>Enlarged Dragon Breath</Name> <Source book="PHB1" page="178">Player's Handbook 1, page 178</Source> <Tier>Heroic</Tier> <Category type="racial" subtype="PHB1:Dragonborn">Racial (Dragonborn)</Type> <Prerequisites> <Race id="PHB1:Dragonborn">Dragonborn</Race> <Power id="PHB1:DragonBreath">Dragon Breath</Power> </Prerequisites> </Feat> [/code] Basically, differences in my proposal are as follows: a) no possibility to have more than one version of same ability/feat/etc - I see it as a major benefit, allowing transparent updates as one of the effects b) human readable ids c) namespace of ids reserved only per type (feat, race, power, etc), not global d) Getting rid of all the source info duplicated in every entry e) bit of duplication of data in attributes, to have attributes machine-parseable in addition to full text for thin clients f) more context-oriented naming, no need to wrap <Race> inside <Prerequisites> into <Prerequisite> I don't expect you to take any action on that - I just wanted to vent my frustration on some xml schemas which were designed to be machine generated and everybody ended up typing them by hand even a year later... [/QUOTE]
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