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<blockquote data-quote="Steve Conan Trustrum" data-source="post: 7674495" data-attributes="member: 1620"><p>But what you describe as "political leverage" the industry calls "marketing."</p><p></p><p>I'm not being facetious or sarcastic.</p><p></p><p>This sort of decision is made all the time in any industry where a product's representation to its market has to be considered simply on the merits of how it relates to the business. It's just par for the course. I, for instance, made my name in this industry producing fan content before I went pro (people still ask me for copies of my Wormwood Netbook, 15 years later), but I still wouldn't want my products appearing in an awards ceremony alongside non-commercial material because it simply isn't a good business decision for oh so many reasons. Most consumers in the market wouldn't see it that way, however, and take it more personally and would merely think the publishers were being bullies or asses.</p><p></p><p>I'd also put forth that people in the gaming industry may not "blink" if your particular group chooses not to buy from them as a result, but that's not the sum of things. This industry gives its market access to the people who make products like few others. I know many game creators who shoot the <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> on a daily basis with people they only know as customers. Even if your opinion isn't exactly slashing open their wallet, most publishers still don't want to upset people in their market because they enjoy this relationship. The risk of that getting harmed in this fashion is another reason to simply not risk participating in a mixed award that pits these publishers against "one of our own" from the market's perspective.</p><p></p><p>I hope that fully clarifies where I'm coming from instead of thinking I'd in anyway justify a publisher trying to push around its market.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steve Conan Trustrum, post: 7674495, member: 1620"] But what you describe as "political leverage" the industry calls "marketing." I'm not being facetious or sarcastic. This sort of decision is made all the time in any industry where a product's representation to its market has to be considered simply on the merits of how it relates to the business. It's just par for the course. I, for instance, made my name in this industry producing fan content before I went pro (people still ask me for copies of my Wormwood Netbook, 15 years later), but I still wouldn't want my products appearing in an awards ceremony alongside non-commercial material because it simply isn't a good business decision for oh so many reasons. Most consumers in the market wouldn't see it that way, however, and take it more personally and would merely think the publishers were being bullies or asses. I'd also put forth that people in the gaming industry may not "blink" if your particular group chooses not to buy from them as a result, but that's not the sum of things. This industry gives its market access to the people who make products like few others. I know many game creators who shoot the :):):):) on a daily basis with people they only know as customers. Even if your opinion isn't exactly slashing open their wallet, most publishers still don't want to upset people in their market because they enjoy this relationship. The risk of that getting harmed in this fashion is another reason to simply not risk participating in a mixed award that pits these publishers against "one of our own" from the market's perspective. I hope that fully clarifies where I'm coming from instead of thinking I'd in anyway justify a publisher trying to push around its market. [/QUOTE]
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