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<blockquote data-quote="FoxWander" data-source="post: 18562" data-attributes="member: 1356"><p>True subsonics (I think that's what you're talking about) would get rid of the music, but also true, its not what I'm looking for. Plus the feat itself seems kind of silly. Not only is it unrealistic, how do you play music that's going to affect anyone if they can't hear it? Isn't that the whole point of bardic music?</p><p></p><p>Also I DEFINITELY don't want yet another prestige class. I want a class exactly like the bard without the music. If it were a prestige class that would have to mean he started off with the music and then dropped it later on. I don't want the music period! </p><p></p><p>I mean, the idea of such a class fits in perfectly with the actual setting D&D is supposed to be in. In a fantasy world filled with dungeons to explore and where 'adventuring' is a valid career choice, wouldn't a class arise whose sole 'job' would be as a professional adventurer? Someone who can perform all the myriad tasks required on adventures or dungeon crawling reasonably well? The bard fits that role perfectly, except for the freaking music! He can fight ok, open locks and find traps, cast a few wizardly spells and do some minor healing AND he has the side benifit of not having to deal with that annoying 'spell preperation' issue. He can't do all of those things individually as well as his single classed companions class, but he CAN do all of them, Except the bard as he is now, has to whip out a guitar to do his unique tricks, and that, to me, is just stupid. I just can't picture a singing minstrel as a valid class. When I think a bard as printed I can't help picturing Sir Robin's minstrels from Monty Python and The Holy Grail, complete with the "they were forced to eat Robin's minstrels, and there was much rejoicing. Yay,yay!"</p><p></p><p>And another thing, where the heck does the wandering minstrel archtype combine with the casual fighter/thief/spell-slinger to make what the D&D bard is? I know it has its roots in celtic history and there are countless fantasy books filled with bardic-mage type characters (which frankly, annoy me also), but whoever thought this would be a valid career path for somone who wants to explore trap-filled dungeons and slay evil dragons?</p><p></p><p>Anyway, enough of my ranting. Suffice it to say I don't like musicians in my D&D party. But a Jack-of-all-trades with a few tricks no one else has- read: Something to fill the void in bard after you remove 'bardic music'. I'd be all for something like that. So please help me come up with something to get rid of the fiddle playing fops!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FoxWander, post: 18562, member: 1356"] True subsonics (I think that's what you're talking about) would get rid of the music, but also true, its not what I'm looking for. Plus the feat itself seems kind of silly. Not only is it unrealistic, how do you play music that's going to affect anyone if they can't hear it? Isn't that the whole point of bardic music? Also I DEFINITELY don't want yet another prestige class. I want a class exactly like the bard without the music. If it were a prestige class that would have to mean he started off with the music and then dropped it later on. I don't want the music period! I mean, the idea of such a class fits in perfectly with the actual setting D&D is supposed to be in. In a fantasy world filled with dungeons to explore and where 'adventuring' is a valid career choice, wouldn't a class arise whose sole 'job' would be as a professional adventurer? Someone who can perform all the myriad tasks required on adventures or dungeon crawling reasonably well? The bard fits that role perfectly, except for the freaking music! He can fight ok, open locks and find traps, cast a few wizardly spells and do some minor healing AND he has the side benifit of not having to deal with that annoying 'spell preperation' issue. He can't do all of those things individually as well as his single classed companions class, but he CAN do all of them, Except the bard as he is now, has to whip out a guitar to do his unique tricks, and that, to me, is just stupid. I just can't picture a singing minstrel as a valid class. When I think a bard as printed I can't help picturing Sir Robin's minstrels from Monty Python and The Holy Grail, complete with the "they were forced to eat Robin's minstrels, and there was much rejoicing. Yay,yay!" And another thing, where the heck does the wandering minstrel archtype combine with the casual fighter/thief/spell-slinger to make what the D&D bard is? I know it has its roots in celtic history and there are countless fantasy books filled with bardic-mage type characters (which frankly, annoy me also), but whoever thought this would be a valid career path for somone who wants to explore trap-filled dungeons and slay evil dragons? Anyway, enough of my ranting. Suffice it to say I don't like musicians in my D&D party. But a Jack-of-all-trades with a few tricks no one else has- read: Something to fill the void in bard after you remove 'bardic music'. I'd be all for something like that. So please help me come up with something to get rid of the fiddle playing fops! [/QUOTE]
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