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<blockquote data-quote="CasvalRemDeikun" data-source="post: 5958781" data-attributes="member: 83969"><p>I do want to touch on one thing that is beginning to really piss me off. Whenever someone brings up their concerns with the game thusfar, inevitably someone in the thread will counter with "it's a playtest" or "it's an alpha". Here's the thing, those of us that are concerned (in this case, 4E players) are aware of that. Stop saying it. We get it. But that doesn't change the fact that the game thusfar is raising concerns and the designers are either doing nothing to alleviate those concerns, or in the case of the Passive Perception and Action Economy posts by the designers, making those concerns worse.</p><p> </p><p>The thing is, saying "it's a playtest" is a cop-out for a lack of a response to an argument. If we don't like the direction the game is headed, and the designers have shown a total lack of an attempt to alleviate those concerns, countering with "it's a playtest" downplays the severity of those concerns.</p><p> </p><p>And beyond that, if we don't voice our concerns because "it's a playtest" HOW IN THE HECK IS WOTC SUPPOSED TO LEARN ANYTHING FROM THE PLAYTEST? Seriously, if we don't tell them we are concerned, they will keep chugging away in a direction that will result in us not buying. Don't you think they would want to know about things that would negatively affect their business?</p><p> </p><p>Seriously, if the best counterargument you can come up with to a concern is "it's a playtest" come back when you actually cite something that might work toward alleviating the concern. Otherwise, don't bother posting, because you just posted an utter waste of space.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red"><strong>Mod Note:</strong> Please see my post below. ~Umbran</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CasvalRemDeikun, post: 5958781, member: 83969"] I do want to touch on one thing that is beginning to really piss me off. Whenever someone brings up their concerns with the game thusfar, inevitably someone in the thread will counter with "it's a playtest" or "it's an alpha". Here's the thing, those of us that are concerned (in this case, 4E players) are aware of that. Stop saying it. We get it. But that doesn't change the fact that the game thusfar is raising concerns and the designers are either doing nothing to alleviate those concerns, or in the case of the Passive Perception and Action Economy posts by the designers, making those concerns worse. The thing is, saying "it's a playtest" is a cop-out for a lack of a response to an argument. If we don't like the direction the game is headed, and the designers have shown a total lack of an attempt to alleviate those concerns, countering with "it's a playtest" downplays the severity of those concerns. And beyond that, if we don't voice our concerns because "it's a playtest" HOW IN THE HECK IS WOTC SUPPOSED TO LEARN ANYTHING FROM THE PLAYTEST? Seriously, if we don't tell them we are concerned, they will keep chugging away in a direction that will result in us not buying. Don't you think they would want to know about things that would negatively affect their business? Seriously, if the best counterargument you can come up with to a concern is "it's a playtest" come back when you actually cite something that might work toward alleviating the concern. Otherwise, don't bother posting, because you just posted an utter waste of space. [COLOR=red][B]Mod Note:[/B] Please see my post below. ~Umbran[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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