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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 5959071" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>No, i agree with the design goal, i just dont think the way to implement it is to insert 4e elementa deeply into the core. The design goal is simply to unit the fanbase, this can be done in a number of ways. Anything that turns off one group or another (whether it be 4e players, 3e playes or old schoolers) is not going to achieve that design goal. My point is you appeal to those groups via modulea, because a mishmash of 4e, 3e and 1e elements is just as likely fragment the base even more as it is to unite them. My own preference is that I be given a core free of the design approach of 4e. We can debate all day what that means (and I am sure we have on other threads) but basically I don't want the stuff from 4e that really bugged me. Some of it was specific features of 4e like healing surges, the powers system, the skill challenge system, the parity, etc. Other things just have more to do with the overall design philosophy. For them to bring me to the table it is going to need to lack those things.</p><p></p><p>That said, the playtest doc so far, while it has what I would call lots of 4e elements, is something I could play. 4e is something I don't want to play. The only thing that bothers me so far is the one day heals, hd and the martial dailies. Those can easily be houseruled out. Other than that it plays and reads well for me. Whether this is enough to bring 4e people on board i don't (that is for them to decide based on the feedback). But all I can say is if the game goes further in the direction of 4e i probably wont have much interest in it. Any further 3e or 4e style material should be modular at this stage ImO if they want to retain the interest of most pre-4e players.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 5959071, member: 85555"] No, i agree with the design goal, i just dont think the way to implement it is to insert 4e elementa deeply into the core. The design goal is simply to unit the fanbase, this can be done in a number of ways. Anything that turns off one group or another (whether it be 4e players, 3e playes or old schoolers) is not going to achieve that design goal. My point is you appeal to those groups via modulea, because a mishmash of 4e, 3e and 1e elements is just as likely fragment the base even more as it is to unite them. My own preference is that I be given a core free of the design approach of 4e. We can debate all day what that means (and I am sure we have on other threads) but basically I don't want the stuff from 4e that really bugged me. Some of it was specific features of 4e like healing surges, the powers system, the skill challenge system, the parity, etc. Other things just have more to do with the overall design philosophy. For them to bring me to the table it is going to need to lack those things. That said, the playtest doc so far, while it has what I would call lots of 4e elements, is something I could play. 4e is something I don't want to play. The only thing that bothers me so far is the one day heals, hd and the martial dailies. Those can easily be houseruled out. Other than that it plays and reads well for me. Whether this is enough to bring 4e people on board i don't (that is for them to decide based on the feedback). But all I can say is if the game goes further in the direction of 4e i probably wont have much interest in it. Any further 3e or 4e style material should be modular at this stage ImO if they want to retain the interest of most pre-4e players. [/QUOTE]
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