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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5978248" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Unfortunately though it IS the straightforwardness that is the attraction Jameson. That is exactly the whole beautiful point at the core of what 4e is, that everything is laid right there on the table in full view of everyone to be seen. Without trying to be negative in any way about DDN the issue is if it can't DO that, if it has to be somehow an obfuscated mess then it doesn't please me. There are plenty of things that can be done to make a game that is BETTER in the ways that 4e is better than previous editions, but if you have to sacrifice the things that actually make it a better game at the very basic core level, then no amount of tacking on modules afterwards short of effectively rewriting the whole game, is going to make up for that. </p><p></p><p>I don't know what to tell WotC. My honest reaction to a lot of the complaints people have had is it feels like they're overly rigid and nitpicky. I'm not at all convinced that Mike's vision is at all tenable. It may indeed be too early to condemn DDN, but the OP's points are well made and it is HARD to see how a game can cater to all and provide those things in a transparent and clean package. Yet that IS what 4e offered and frankly DDN needs to offer it as well. IMHO in the long run it will serve the ends of both WotC and players better because I think over time you're going to find that a game with the rules transparency of something like 4e will stand up better to being hacked on and it will simply be far easier to mold it in different directions. Plus it will inherently be more acceptable to a whole group of customers who may not be able to carry the brand on their own, but have certainly proven to be loyal active customers that want more WotC product if they can deliver stuff like HotFW and etc consistently.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5978248, member: 82106"] Unfortunately though it IS the straightforwardness that is the attraction Jameson. That is exactly the whole beautiful point at the core of what 4e is, that everything is laid right there on the table in full view of everyone to be seen. Without trying to be negative in any way about DDN the issue is if it can't DO that, if it has to be somehow an obfuscated mess then it doesn't please me. There are plenty of things that can be done to make a game that is BETTER in the ways that 4e is better than previous editions, but if you have to sacrifice the things that actually make it a better game at the very basic core level, then no amount of tacking on modules afterwards short of effectively rewriting the whole game, is going to make up for that. I don't know what to tell WotC. My honest reaction to a lot of the complaints people have had is it feels like they're overly rigid and nitpicky. I'm not at all convinced that Mike's vision is at all tenable. It may indeed be too early to condemn DDN, but the OP's points are well made and it is HARD to see how a game can cater to all and provide those things in a transparent and clean package. Yet that IS what 4e offered and frankly DDN needs to offer it as well. IMHO in the long run it will serve the ends of both WotC and players better because I think over time you're going to find that a game with the rules transparency of something like 4e will stand up better to being hacked on and it will simply be far easier to mold it in different directions. Plus it will inherently be more acceptable to a whole group of customers who may not be able to carry the brand on their own, but have certainly proven to be loyal active customers that want more WotC product if they can deliver stuff like HotFW and etc consistently. [/QUOTE]
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