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<blockquote data-quote="GreyICE" data-source="post: 6005197" data-attributes="member: 6684526"><p>DnD's roots? Would that be 2E or 3E or even 1E? Because besides the 1>2 transition, DnD never "stuck to its roots." The fallacy of that has been pointed out a thousand times. 3E tried to make a simulationist (by which I mean rules-centric simulation) game out of a gamist system and changed a thousand things in the process, 4E brought it back to its gamist roots and cut a lot of the core 'tropes' of DnD in the process. </p><p></p><p>Meh, I honestly don't care. 5E is going to be more balanced than 3E, but I'm not sure it's even going to meet the standards of being "better." And it's certainly not particularly paying attention to what the 4E players want. The shoddy tactics module was pretty much the last nail in the coffin for me (Facing? Really WotC? FACING?!?).</p><p></p><p>Frankly, we can do it better than WotC, and I'm fine with waving goodbye to them if they throw out everything they learned from 4E. And Facing is the OPPOSITE of everything that 4E ever did.</p><p></p><p></p><p>P.S. There were some good 4E adventures, but on the whole they're found in Dungeon Magazine. For some reason what made it to print was terrible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyICE, post: 6005197, member: 6684526"] DnD's roots? Would that be 2E or 3E or even 1E? Because besides the 1>2 transition, DnD never "stuck to its roots." The fallacy of that has been pointed out a thousand times. 3E tried to make a simulationist (by which I mean rules-centric simulation) game out of a gamist system and changed a thousand things in the process, 4E brought it back to its gamist roots and cut a lot of the core 'tropes' of DnD in the process. Meh, I honestly don't care. 5E is going to be more balanced than 3E, but I'm not sure it's even going to meet the standards of being "better." And it's certainly not particularly paying attention to what the 4E players want. The shoddy tactics module was pretty much the last nail in the coffin for me (Facing? Really WotC? FACING?!?). Frankly, we can do it better than WotC, and I'm fine with waving goodbye to them if they throw out everything they learned from 4E. And Facing is the OPPOSITE of everything that 4E ever did. P.S. There were some good 4E adventures, but on the whole they're found in Dungeon Magazine. For some reason what made it to print was terrible. [/QUOTE]
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