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<blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 4906678" data-attributes="member: 11300"><p>As I said, the proof is in the playing: I'm moving my Age of Worms campaign over to Pathfinder where the characters are currently at 15th level. I should be able to gauge how balanced it is at that point after a few sessions.</p><p></p><p>However, trying to equate a martial character to a spell is difficult - to a spellcaster is more suitable. The damage output per round is less than disintegrate but for repeated output, the fighter can produce a strong steady stream of damage to opponents. Defensively, the Fighter can take a lot more damage than the spellcaster. Defensively, the fighter has good consistent protection (particularly with fighter armor boosts) where as the spellcaster will vary. The fighter gains more feats which means more options and more chances to specialize (which is both fun and effective). Both have their weaknesses which certain enemies can exploit. The style of each character is different - which I think is a good thing. Over the course of those twelve levels, I think there is plenty of opportunities for both the fighter and spellcaster to shine. (If you look at any particular in isolation, then I think what you infer from that is most likely wrong and misses the point).</p><p></p><p>You acknowledge that the Fighter has been assisted at most levels but you seem to think that spellcasters have got some huge boost that I don't believe they have. They have been given a few more options to reduce the "15-minute-day" syndrome but I don't believe their overall power has increased dramatically from before. It has increased enough though where single-classing is an option where as before, it was rare to find a wizard who hadn't prestige-classed at higher levels. Specialization is now a good option too, where as before, it varied.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I like how they have balanced these out - your mileage obviously varies.</p><p></p><p>You are correct, this makes Starbuck_II's comment make sense now.</p><p>doctorhook was referring more to 3.x. however which is where I was coming from.</p><p></p><p>Best Regards</p><p>Herremann the Wise</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Herremann the Wise, post: 4906678, member: 11300"] As I said, the proof is in the playing: I'm moving my Age of Worms campaign over to Pathfinder where the characters are currently at 15th level. I should be able to gauge how balanced it is at that point after a few sessions. However, trying to equate a martial character to a spell is difficult - to a spellcaster is more suitable. The damage output per round is less than disintegrate but for repeated output, the fighter can produce a strong steady stream of damage to opponents. Defensively, the Fighter can take a lot more damage than the spellcaster. Defensively, the fighter has good consistent protection (particularly with fighter armor boosts) where as the spellcaster will vary. The fighter gains more feats which means more options and more chances to specialize (which is both fun and effective). Both have their weaknesses which certain enemies can exploit. The style of each character is different - which I think is a good thing. Over the course of those twelve levels, I think there is plenty of opportunities for both the fighter and spellcaster to shine. (If you look at any particular in isolation, then I think what you infer from that is most likely wrong and misses the point). You acknowledge that the Fighter has been assisted at most levels but you seem to think that spellcasters have got some huge boost that I don't believe they have. They have been given a few more options to reduce the "15-minute-day" syndrome but I don't believe their overall power has increased dramatically from before. It has increased enough though where single-classing is an option where as before, it was rare to find a wizard who hadn't prestige-classed at higher levels. Specialization is now a good option too, where as before, it varied. Personally, I like how they have balanced these out - your mileage obviously varies. You are correct, this makes Starbuck_II's comment make sense now. doctorhook was referring more to 3.x. however which is where I was coming from. Best Regards Herremann the Wise [/QUOTE]
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