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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 7656992" data-attributes="member: 1210"><p>Yeah... I agree with you, and I don't really buy that argument.</p><p></p><p>See, the thing is, I don't think there has really been an honest attempt to sell GH material since 1e. The 2e stuff was a combination of a middle finger to Gygax (<em>Castle Greyhawk</em> megamodule, ugh) and a bunch of okay stuff that tried to make sweeping changes in the world (<em>Greyhawk Wars, From the Ashes,</em> et. al.). </p><p></p><p>Neither one of these, IMHO, had the same kind of appeal to a GH fan as material that would further develop it would have. (The <em>City of Greyhawk</em> boxed set was probably this kind of material, but I never had a chance to get my hands on it, though I've seen the map of the city from it.) Big "Realms-Shaking Event" material is always, always, always the stuff that riles up the fanbase (of whatever setting, but especially the FR), so GW, FtA and that kind of thing was bound to alienate some of GH's fans.</p><p></p><p>As for CG, it really was a "F You!" to Gygax and everyone who had wanted a real Castle Greyhawk adventure for years or decades.</p><p></p><p>3e had GH as the 'default setting' but didn't do anything with it, or release any decent material for it outside of the Living Greyhawk stuff and, possibly, the EtCG adventure- but I looked at it, and it looked... partial at best. In fairness, IIRC it was one of the first 'delve format' adventures, and in retrospect, I think the delve format was terrible. But I don't recall seeing any overall area maps or anything, so I didn't end up picking it up.</p><p></p><p>4e didn't even touch GH.</p><p></p><p>Compare this to the way FR was developed for the most part, especially in 1e and 2e: supplement after supplement expanding and developing the world, either regions or religion or whatever the topic was at a given moment. LOTS of stuff aimed at expanding the world, not rewriting it. (I recognize that there are always RSEs going on, too, but there are lots of non-RSE FR books pre-4e.) Or the material that developed Eberron in 3e: expanding our understanding of the setting, NOT constantly trying to overwrite what came before.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 7656992, member: 1210"] Yeah... I agree with you, and I don't really buy that argument. See, the thing is, I don't think there has really been an honest attempt to sell GH material since 1e. The 2e stuff was a combination of a middle finger to Gygax ([i]Castle Greyhawk[/i] megamodule, ugh) and a bunch of okay stuff that tried to make sweeping changes in the world ([i]Greyhawk Wars, From the Ashes,[/i] et. al.). Neither one of these, IMHO, had the same kind of appeal to a GH fan as material that would further develop it would have. (The [i]City of Greyhawk[/i] boxed set was probably this kind of material, but I never had a chance to get my hands on it, though I've seen the map of the city from it.) Big "Realms-Shaking Event" material is always, always, always the stuff that riles up the fanbase (of whatever setting, but especially the FR), so GW, FtA and that kind of thing was bound to alienate some of GH's fans. As for CG, it really was a "F You!" to Gygax and everyone who had wanted a real Castle Greyhawk adventure for years or decades. 3e had GH as the 'default setting' but didn't do anything with it, or release any decent material for it outside of the Living Greyhawk stuff and, possibly, the EtCG adventure- but I looked at it, and it looked... partial at best. In fairness, IIRC it was one of the first 'delve format' adventures, and in retrospect, I think the delve format was terrible. But I don't recall seeing any overall area maps or anything, so I didn't end up picking it up. 4e didn't even touch GH. Compare this to the way FR was developed for the most part, especially in 1e and 2e: supplement after supplement expanding and developing the world, either regions or religion or whatever the topic was at a given moment. LOTS of stuff aimed at expanding the world, not rewriting it. (I recognize that there are always RSEs going on, too, but there are lots of non-RSE FR books pre-4e.) Or the material that developed Eberron in 3e: expanding our understanding of the setting, NOT constantly trying to overwrite what came before. [/QUOTE]
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