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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7110346" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>No, I'm not mixing it up. I get that <em>unobserved</em> (the way you are using it) = <em>unseen</em>, whereas <em>unnoticed</em> = <em>hidden</em>, at least in situations where otherwise you would be noticed. You've spent a lot of ink explaining this to me unnecessarily when I haven't said otherwise. I think you would have an easier time understanding me if you weren't so quick to assume I'm getting something so fundamental wrong. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is all fine. I agree with every word. The rogue takes the Hide action, which means that he stays out of sight and stays quiet. From that point forward, he is hiding, and his DEX (Stealth) check, the mechanical representation of his attempt to hide, is contested by the WIS (Perception) check of any creature that searches for him until he is discovered by that creature or stops hiding. This 'hiding' is the state of affairs as we go into any contest, and whether he is discovered is what remains to be resolved by any such contest. If a searching creature wins the contest, the rogue is discovered. But if the rogue wins, or in the event of a tie, then the rogue remains undiscovered. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a good example of giving your opinion when you haven't bothered to properly digest the posts to which you are replying or the evidence that's been given. I gave Jeremy Crawford's reply because I felt it was an unequivocal statement in its own right, and because anyone could look up the full exchange on twitter or sageadvice.eu for themselves. But I'll post the entire exchange now to show how ridiculous your position is with reference to Crawford's intent. </p><p></p><p>Q: @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036" target="_blank">Jeremy</a></u></strong></em>ECrawford What if Stealth Check equals Passive Perception check?</p><p>In case of tie a Passive Score it's like a DC or it's like a Contest?</p><p></p><p>A: When hiding, you want to meet or exceed another creature's passive Perception score. </p><p></p><p>Now you can explain to me how he wasn't talking about what to do in case of a tie.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 7110346, member: 6787503"] No, I'm not mixing it up. I get that [I]unobserved[/I] (the way you are using it) = [I]unseen[/I], whereas [I]unnoticed[/I] = [I]hidden[/I], at least in situations where otherwise you would be noticed. You've spent a lot of ink explaining this to me unnecessarily when I haven't said otherwise. I think you would have an easier time understanding me if you weren't so quick to assume I'm getting something so fundamental wrong. This is all fine. I agree with every word. The rogue takes the Hide action, which means that he stays out of sight and stays quiet. From that point forward, he is hiding, and his DEX (Stealth) check, the mechanical representation of his attempt to hide, is contested by the WIS (Perception) check of any creature that searches for him until he is discovered by that creature or stops hiding. This 'hiding' is the state of affairs as we go into any contest, and whether he is discovered is what remains to be resolved by any such contest. If a searching creature wins the contest, the rogue is discovered. But if the rogue wins, or in the event of a tie, then the rogue remains undiscovered. This is a good example of giving your opinion when you haven't bothered to properly digest the posts to which you are replying or the evidence that's been given. I gave Jeremy Crawford's reply because I felt it was an unequivocal statement in its own right, and because anyone could look up the full exchange on twitter or sageadvice.eu for themselves. But I'll post the entire exchange now to show how ridiculous your position is with reference to Crawford's intent. Q: @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=4036"]Jeremy[/URL][/U][/B][/I]ECrawford What if Stealth Check equals Passive Perception check? In case of tie a Passive Score it's like a DC or it's like a Contest? A: When hiding, you want to meet or exceed another creature's passive Perception score. Now you can explain to me how he wasn't talking about what to do in case of a tie. [/QUOTE]
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