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<blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 351424" data-attributes="member: 4134"><p>The "untrained" descriptor simply states wether you can use the skill without any ranks in it. For example, you can attempt to move silently without having a single rank in it. It has nothing to do with cross class skills.</p><p></p><p>A cross class skill is simply a skill that you must buy at double price and can only be half as good at as at a class skill. A wizard 7 can have 10 ranks in spellcraft, a fighter 7 only 5. The wizard pays 1 skill point per rank, the fighter 2.</p><p></p><p>If a skill cannot be used when it's not on your class list, it's called exclusive. That includes use magic device. A rogue 7 can have 10 ranks in UMD, but a fighter cannot have a single rank.</p><p>If the exclusive skill could be used untrained, you still would be able to use the skill (it would effectively be an ability check). That's how Scry works afaik: a rogue could use a scroll with a divination spell on it (with UMD), and could make that scry check mentioned in the spell description, even if he hadn't ranks in it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kae'Yoss, post: 351424, member: 4134"] The "untrained" descriptor simply states wether you can use the skill without any ranks in it. For example, you can attempt to move silently without having a single rank in it. It has nothing to do with cross class skills. A cross class skill is simply a skill that you must buy at double price and can only be half as good at as at a class skill. A wizard 7 can have 10 ranks in spellcraft, a fighter 7 only 5. The wizard pays 1 skill point per rank, the fighter 2. If a skill cannot be used when it's not on your class list, it's called exclusive. That includes use magic device. A rogue 7 can have 10 ranks in UMD, but a fighter cannot have a single rank. If the exclusive skill could be used untrained, you still would be able to use the skill (it would effectively be an ability check). That's how Scry works afaik: a rogue could use a scroll with a divination spell on it (with UMD), and could make that scry check mentioned in the spell description, even if he hadn't ranks in it. [/QUOTE]
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