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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 6707600" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>This was about its effectiveness as a tool and model for understanding. You can invoke the tone argument all you want, but I think both how the concept gets used by people (which includes tone but isn't limited to it) and its general murkiness are quite relevant to the discussion. Tone does matter. It does have an impact. I do think it is important. But that isn't why I brought up bludgeoning. I was saying I see it used as a rhetorical bludgeon but to no other real effect. At least in discussions outside of sociology. That isn't an appeal to emotion. That is a fair criticism of an idea that claims to be more than a rhetorical device. It is supposed to be an effective model for understanding cultural exchange and for improving interactions between cultures. I don't see it doing either once it moves outside a highly specialized field. And I think it does more harm than good, as we can see by the premise of the OP which advocates for fences and walls between cultures on the grounds that it always leads to harm when white people borrow from other cultures. </p><p></p><p>In fact I would argue that your post here is much more of an appeal to emotion because it tries to frame people who bring up the issue of tone as thin-skinned and weak (i.e. "DOn't tell me that, it makes me feel bad...."). Again, I am not terribly interested in debating logical fallacies, since I had enough of that in college, but they are over invoked in these discussions and I don't think the tone argument fallacy is all that persuasive here. Of course if you think it is you are free to ignore my point regarding CA being used as a bludgeon. And if you think that makes me thin skinned or something, that is fair. I am not terribly concerned about that.</p><p></p><p>Also let's keep in mind this whole topic is built around concern for peoples' feelings. The whole reason cultural appropriation is invoked in the first place is because presumably people have been hurt by others using their cultural symbols in ways they consider to be offensive or inappropriate. I don't know, I think it is reasonable for both sides in such a debate to point to concern about tone and call for greater empathy (this is one reason I've been careful to emphasize that cultural sensitivity is still important).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 6707600, member: 85555"] This was about its effectiveness as a tool and model for understanding. You can invoke the tone argument all you want, but I think both how the concept gets used by people (which includes tone but isn't limited to it) and its general murkiness are quite relevant to the discussion. Tone does matter. It does have an impact. I do think it is important. But that isn't why I brought up bludgeoning. I was saying I see it used as a rhetorical bludgeon but to no other real effect. At least in discussions outside of sociology. That isn't an appeal to emotion. That is a fair criticism of an idea that claims to be more than a rhetorical device. It is supposed to be an effective model for understanding cultural exchange and for improving interactions between cultures. I don't see it doing either once it moves outside a highly specialized field. And I think it does more harm than good, as we can see by the premise of the OP which advocates for fences and walls between cultures on the grounds that it always leads to harm when white people borrow from other cultures. In fact I would argue that your post here is much more of an appeal to emotion because it tries to frame people who bring up the issue of tone as thin-skinned and weak (i.e. "DOn't tell me that, it makes me feel bad...."). Again, I am not terribly interested in debating logical fallacies, since I had enough of that in college, but they are over invoked in these discussions and I don't think the tone argument fallacy is all that persuasive here. Of course if you think it is you are free to ignore my point regarding CA being used as a bludgeon. And if you think that makes me thin skinned or something, that is fair. I am not terribly concerned about that. Also let's keep in mind this whole topic is built around concern for peoples' feelings. The whole reason cultural appropriation is invoked in the first place is because presumably people have been hurt by others using their cultural symbols in ways they consider to be offensive or inappropriate. I don't know, I think it is reasonable for both sides in such a debate to point to concern about tone and call for greater empathy (this is one reason I've been careful to emphasize that cultural sensitivity is still important). [/QUOTE]
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