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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5985208" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Oh. So your point actually was an attempt at doing your best to ignore the discussion and derail it.</p><p> </p><p>The reason that someone can run along the bike, maintaining balance works is because modelling the expected behaviour and getting someone to do it right assisted is a good way to get them to do it unassisted. That's how that teaching method works.</p><p> </p><p>4e does this and does it successfuly. Skill challenges, treasure parcels, quest awards, encounter balancing. This is all the "get someone to model what feels right so they learn by doing it right" method.</p><p> </p><p>And so 4e teaches you to DM despite not itself being able to DM (being a game) the way someone running alongside a bike holding it upright teaches bike riding. It gets them to model DMing well until they can do it under their own power.</p><p> </p><p>This was the point I was making using the analogy of teaching someone to ride a bike that was brought up. </p><p> </p><p>So tell me, why are you saying that the two aren't alike despite their simmilarity illustrating something valuable? Just because you don't like the consequence - that there are more ways to learn something than you listed?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5985208, member: 87792"] Oh. So your point actually was an attempt at doing your best to ignore the discussion and derail it. The reason that someone can run along the bike, maintaining balance works is because modelling the expected behaviour and getting someone to do it right assisted is a good way to get them to do it unassisted. That's how that teaching method works. 4e does this and does it successfuly. Skill challenges, treasure parcels, quest awards, encounter balancing. This is all the "get someone to model what feels right so they learn by doing it right" method. And so 4e teaches you to DM despite not itself being able to DM (being a game) the way someone running alongside a bike holding it upright teaches bike riding. It gets them to model DMing well until they can do it under their own power. This was the point I was making using the analogy of teaching someone to ride a bike that was brought up. So tell me, why are you saying that the two aren't alike despite their simmilarity illustrating something valuable? Just because you don't like the consequence - that there are more ways to learn something than you listed? [/QUOTE]
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