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<blockquote data-quote="Man in the Funny Hat" data-source="post: 6098143" data-attributes="member: 32740"><p>"Murder" is not the correct word - unlawful killing with malice aforethought. Ben was quite clear they did NOT want "Imperial entaglements". Solo went along with that... for a higher fee. The TIE was a surprise to everyone and Ben, Luke, and Han all were in agreement that the pilot was headed off to report them being there and <em>That Would Be Bad</em>. Oh, it would be a crime to smudge one TIE fighter and its pilot, but then everything they were doing at the time was a crime. They just blasted their way out of Mos Eisley. Kenobi was attempting to deliver stolen state secrets (Death Star plans) to the REBELLION! Oh, they were gonna kill that pilot all right - but it would not have been murder.</p><p></p><p>I do agree that the Jedi were not always acting as Lawful Good as we tend to expect. We think of them as Paladins but they're not - they're Jedi. While they have a lot of moral and ethical commonalities in their oaths and practices they're not the same. Jedi are "guardians of peace and justice", or were for a long time. That essentially makes them a cross between cops and UN blue-helmets for practical purposes no matter what high-falutin' training they get and that suggests that they're going to fail occasionally as paragons of virtue. Don't forget either that it is the failures of the Jedi that enabled the Sith to infiltrate the Republic and even let one become Emperor right under their noses with a ready-made army of clones to do the dirty work, and then nearly wipes the Jedi from the universe with one Special Order.</p><p></p><p>I'm reasonably sure that if you go through the movies again though you'll find that while the Jedi aren't always pure as the driven snow the killing and maiming that they do is at least by necessity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Man in the Funny Hat, post: 6098143, member: 32740"] "Murder" is not the correct word - unlawful killing with malice aforethought. Ben was quite clear they did NOT want "Imperial entaglements". Solo went along with that... for a higher fee. The TIE was a surprise to everyone and Ben, Luke, and Han all were in agreement that the pilot was headed off to report them being there and [I]That Would Be Bad[/I]. Oh, it would be a crime to smudge one TIE fighter and its pilot, but then everything they were doing at the time was a crime. They just blasted their way out of Mos Eisley. Kenobi was attempting to deliver stolen state secrets (Death Star plans) to the REBELLION! Oh, they were gonna kill that pilot all right - but it would not have been murder. I do agree that the Jedi were not always acting as Lawful Good as we tend to expect. We think of them as Paladins but they're not - they're Jedi. While they have a lot of moral and ethical commonalities in their oaths and practices they're not the same. Jedi are "guardians of peace and justice", or were for a long time. That essentially makes them a cross between cops and UN blue-helmets for practical purposes no matter what high-falutin' training they get and that suggests that they're going to fail occasionally as paragons of virtue. Don't forget either that it is the failures of the Jedi that enabled the Sith to infiltrate the Republic and even let one become Emperor right under their noses with a ready-made army of clones to do the dirty work, and then nearly wipes the Jedi from the universe with one Special Order. I'm reasonably sure that if you go through the movies again though you'll find that while the Jedi aren't always pure as the driven snow the killing and maiming that they do is at least by necessity. [/QUOTE]
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