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<blockquote data-quote="Fiery James" data-source="post: 5974068" data-attributes="member: 625"><p>Now that the film is released, and we're getting into spoiler territory, I thought the movie was an A-, but could have been an A+ with some tightening of the screenplay. Here are a few thoughts:</p><p></p><p>Selena Kyle’s story: She’s after the mythical “Clean Slate” program – a software virus that has the ability to remove your identity and history from the world-wide record. Batman needs to find out midway through the movie that Selena is after this to save her friend Holly, who is the last surviving witness that can end some criminal empire, or possibly take down some corrupt politician or big business honcho. </p><p></p><p>This is why Batman believes she’ll fight for Gotham – she’s been doing these jobs to save her friend, not herself. Selena betrays Batman to Bane because Bane’s informed her that HE has the Clean Slate program and has promised to remove Holly from the grid. After Bane and Batman fight, Selena finds that Holly has been murdered by Bane’s people, which is, of course, his Clean Slate program – permanent removal. </p><p></p><p>When Batman later returns with the thumbdrive and the software as payment for Selena helping him, she informs him that it’s too late and Holly is dead. BUT – she helps him out in the end anyway, not because she wants the reward, but because it’s in her true nature to help the unfortunate and stand against oppressors. After the climax, we see that Bruce and Selena use the Clean Slate virus to remove their identities and escape to a new life.</p><p></p><p>Bane’s Story: When in the prison, Batman is told that he’ll never beat Bane because it’s clear that Batman doesn’t fear death. The absence of fear is not what gives Bane his power – it’s his ability to overcome his fear. Bane uses extreme fear to keep himself honed to perfection at all times. The device built into his mask not only keeps the terrible pain from the doctor’s botched surgery under control, but it also CONSTANTLY feeds Bane the fear gas that the Scarecrow used in Batman Begins. Remember, the plant extracts that the Scarecrow used to create the toxin were grown and harvested by the League of Shadows, the very people that trained Bane. </p><p></p><p>Bane has mastered his fear to the point that he exposes himself to the toxin constantly and instead of being afraid, is supremely in control and capable of terrible actions. It’s not Venom, as it is in the comic, but it’s something that gives him an edge and makes him more than human. When Batman confronts Bane at the end and begins smashing his mask, the fear gas begins to dissipate, and Batman gains the upper hand as Bane loses his edge.</p><p></p><p>Gotham’s Story: The movie was long, but I could use some extra scenes showing how the citizens of Gotham react to all that’s going on. I would love to see snippets of Gotham under Bane’s rule. Is everyone happy that the “revolution” has hit and the 99% have risen up? Who joins the criminals in the looting, and who tries to retain some order in the chaos? </p><p></p><p>I want to see desperate people trying to confronting the military at the bridge, begging to escape, and have it clear that it’s a daily ritual. And maybe the soldiers have seemed willing to let them cross, only to have Bane’s people pop up and remind them of the terrible threat. I know we saw some community gatherings, but I’d like to see citizens sharing food and finding ways to create new infrastructure. It certainly looked like they’d kept garbage collection running – maybe showing people carting off waste and having some areas working together to maintain living conditions. </p><p></p><p>I’d like to check in with the trapped police a few times, and see how they managed to survive underground for three months (and keep their uniforms so tidy). I’d like to see Joseph Gordon Levitt working at night, patrolling the streets and keeping the decent citizens of Gotham from coming to harm at the hands of Bane’s thugs and criminals (and foreshadowing his new role in the end). </p><p></p><p>I think those are the three main tweaks that could have been made to bump the movie up a grade point or two for my taste. </p><p></p><p>The Selena stuff just helps us understand her character, and gives Holly a reason to exist other than just being in the background of those scenes… and then disappearing from the film. </p><p></p><p>The Bane stuff isn’t necessary, but ties his mask into his abilities and back into the League of Shadows (“Why does he wear the mask?” seemed like an important question to shout in the first minutes of the movie… finding out that it’s just the result of bad surgery is a bit of a let down.) </p><p></p><p>Checking in with the citizens of Gotham could have showed the decency that has come to exist in some quarters and is worth fighting for, and the darker criminal element a new Batman would have to work against. It would show the fear that the people are living with, and then how brave they’d have to be at the end (when Matthew Modine puts his uniform back on). You’d get a sense of what Bane had wrought.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiery James, post: 5974068, member: 625"] Now that the film is released, and we're getting into spoiler territory, I thought the movie was an A-, but could have been an A+ with some tightening of the screenplay. Here are a few thoughts: Selena Kyle’s story: She’s after the mythical “Clean Slate” program – a software virus that has the ability to remove your identity and history from the world-wide record. Batman needs to find out midway through the movie that Selena is after this to save her friend Holly, who is the last surviving witness that can end some criminal empire, or possibly take down some corrupt politician or big business honcho. This is why Batman believes she’ll fight for Gotham – she’s been doing these jobs to save her friend, not herself. Selena betrays Batman to Bane because Bane’s informed her that HE has the Clean Slate program and has promised to remove Holly from the grid. After Bane and Batman fight, Selena finds that Holly has been murdered by Bane’s people, which is, of course, his Clean Slate program – permanent removal. When Batman later returns with the thumbdrive and the software as payment for Selena helping him, she informs him that it’s too late and Holly is dead. BUT – she helps him out in the end anyway, not because she wants the reward, but because it’s in her true nature to help the unfortunate and stand against oppressors. After the climax, we see that Bruce and Selena use the Clean Slate virus to remove their identities and escape to a new life. Bane’s Story: When in the prison, Batman is told that he’ll never beat Bane because it’s clear that Batman doesn’t fear death. The absence of fear is not what gives Bane his power – it’s his ability to overcome his fear. Bane uses extreme fear to keep himself honed to perfection at all times. The device built into his mask not only keeps the terrible pain from the doctor’s botched surgery under control, but it also CONSTANTLY feeds Bane the fear gas that the Scarecrow used in Batman Begins. Remember, the plant extracts that the Scarecrow used to create the toxin were grown and harvested by the League of Shadows, the very people that trained Bane. Bane has mastered his fear to the point that he exposes himself to the toxin constantly and instead of being afraid, is supremely in control and capable of terrible actions. It’s not Venom, as it is in the comic, but it’s something that gives him an edge and makes him more than human. When Batman confronts Bane at the end and begins smashing his mask, the fear gas begins to dissipate, and Batman gains the upper hand as Bane loses his edge. Gotham’s Story: The movie was long, but I could use some extra scenes showing how the citizens of Gotham react to all that’s going on. I would love to see snippets of Gotham under Bane’s rule. Is everyone happy that the “revolution” has hit and the 99% have risen up? Who joins the criminals in the looting, and who tries to retain some order in the chaos? I want to see desperate people trying to confronting the military at the bridge, begging to escape, and have it clear that it’s a daily ritual. And maybe the soldiers have seemed willing to let them cross, only to have Bane’s people pop up and remind them of the terrible threat. I know we saw some community gatherings, but I’d like to see citizens sharing food and finding ways to create new infrastructure. It certainly looked like they’d kept garbage collection running – maybe showing people carting off waste and having some areas working together to maintain living conditions. I’d like to check in with the trapped police a few times, and see how they managed to survive underground for three months (and keep their uniforms so tidy). I’d like to see Joseph Gordon Levitt working at night, patrolling the streets and keeping the decent citizens of Gotham from coming to harm at the hands of Bane’s thugs and criminals (and foreshadowing his new role in the end). I think those are the three main tweaks that could have been made to bump the movie up a grade point or two for my taste. The Selena stuff just helps us understand her character, and gives Holly a reason to exist other than just being in the background of those scenes… and then disappearing from the film. The Bane stuff isn’t necessary, but ties his mask into his abilities and back into the League of Shadows (“Why does he wear the mask?” seemed like an important question to shout in the first minutes of the movie… finding out that it’s just the result of bad surgery is a bit of a let down.) Checking in with the citizens of Gotham could have showed the decency that has come to exist in some quarters and is worth fighting for, and the darker criminal element a new Batman would have to work against. It would show the fear that the people are living with, and then how brave they’d have to be at the end (when Matthew Modine puts his uniform back on). You’d get a sense of what Bane had wrought. [/QUOTE]
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