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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2028807" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>I hate when they have exceptions to the rules hidden somewhere.</p><p></p><p>Complete Arcane, page 7.</p><p></p><p>"Metamagic feats cannot improve a warlock's eldritch blast (because it is a spell-like ability, not a spell). However, the feat Ability Focus (eldritch blast) ..."</p><p></p><p>That is such a pain in the butt. They should have put this exception that Warlocks could use these right in the Sudden XXX Spell feat descriptions (i.e. it would have taken no real effort to state "any spell or any spell-like ability" instead of "any spell" in the descriptions).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks for pointing out the obscure exception to the general rules guys.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Btw, some of these feats are somewhat screwed up anyway.</p><p></p><p>Sudden Still Spell works for Warlocks (as does most of the other Sudden XXX Spells).</p><p></p><p>Sudden Silent Spell does NOT work for Warlocks (since they have no verbal component as specified on page 72).</p><p></p><p>Sudden Quicken Spell does not work very well for Warlocks since he has to take two totally worthless feats (Quicken Spell and Sudden Silent Spell) as two of his prerequisites, plus he has to take 4 other Sudden feats. He might as well take Quicken Spell-like Ability (one feat total) which has no feat prerequisties and can be done 3 times per day (and can be acquired at an earlier level). The only advantage Sudden Quicken Spell has over Quicken Spell-like Ability is that it can be done for higher level spells. I'm not sure that that is ever worth four once per day feats (several of which will rarely be use most days) plus two totally worthless feats that cannot be used at all unless he multiclasses (and he would have to multiclass a lot to use Quicken Spell).</p><p></p><p>Plus, Sudden Quicken Spell does not work that great for other spell casters either since it has 6 prerequisites, 5 of which are Sudden (and hence, usable once per day and then, not most days). This is practically worthless for anyone except a Wizard and even so, using up 7 feat slots to get one specific once per day cool feat is pretty costly. I suspect that any PC spell caster that attempts to eventually take Sudden Quicken Spell will have a much harder time surviving to ever get it, just because he has virtually no feats at low to mid levels (course, a DM could just hand these feats to a higher level NPC).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2028807, member: 2011"] I hate when they have exceptions to the rules hidden somewhere. Complete Arcane, page 7. "Metamagic feats cannot improve a warlock's eldritch blast (because it is a spell-like ability, not a spell). However, the feat Ability Focus (eldritch blast) ..." That is such a pain in the butt. They should have put this exception that Warlocks could use these right in the Sudden XXX Spell feat descriptions (i.e. it would have taken no real effort to state "any spell or any spell-like ability" instead of "any spell" in the descriptions). Thanks for pointing out the obscure exception to the general rules guys. Btw, some of these feats are somewhat screwed up anyway. Sudden Still Spell works for Warlocks (as does most of the other Sudden XXX Spells). Sudden Silent Spell does NOT work for Warlocks (since they have no verbal component as specified on page 72). Sudden Quicken Spell does not work very well for Warlocks since he has to take two totally worthless feats (Quicken Spell and Sudden Silent Spell) as two of his prerequisites, plus he has to take 4 other Sudden feats. He might as well take Quicken Spell-like Ability (one feat total) which has no feat prerequisties and can be done 3 times per day (and can be acquired at an earlier level). The only advantage Sudden Quicken Spell has over Quicken Spell-like Ability is that it can be done for higher level spells. I'm not sure that that is ever worth four once per day feats (several of which will rarely be use most days) plus two totally worthless feats that cannot be used at all unless he multiclasses (and he would have to multiclass a lot to use Quicken Spell). Plus, Sudden Quicken Spell does not work that great for other spell casters either since it has 6 prerequisites, 5 of which are Sudden (and hence, usable once per day and then, not most days). This is practically worthless for anyone except a Wizard and even so, using up 7 feat slots to get one specific once per day cool feat is pretty costly. I suspect that any PC spell caster that attempts to eventually take Sudden Quicken Spell will have a much harder time surviving to ever get it, just because he has virtually no feats at low to mid levels (course, a DM could just hand these feats to a higher level NPC). [/QUOTE]
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