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<blockquote data-quote="mhacdebhandia" data-source="post: 2738133" data-attributes="member: 18832"><p>There's a difference between D&D and d20. Change too much of D&D and you're playing d20 fantasy. There's nothing <strong>wrong with that</strong>, and it's even possible that it's better than D&D for most purposes, but there you are, all the same.</p><p></p><p>My comment was directed at the fact that you seem to despise the way D&D as written handles character abilities, as evidenced by your highly pejorative description of them as "fire-and-forget kewl powerz". I'm unsure that someone with such a viewpoint can contribute much to the question of what's best for doing horror in D&D, given that the majority of D&D players can be assumed to not share that opinion. Otherwise, like you, they'd be playing d20 fantasy.</p><p></p><p>(Even if you dispute my division between D&D and d20 fantasy, the latter point stands. If you don't like the way D&D as written works, what exactly qualifies you to address the question of how to do X in D&D?)</p><p></p><p></p><p>No. I have to wonder if you're reading what I write, now. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> I said I find it more interesting and clever to write horror stories that don't require you to change D&D; it's clever in the same way that writing poetry according to set principles is clever. Not always necessary and not always appropriate, but I admire those who can produce great work within a set of restrictions (the Petrarchan sonnet form, D&D-as-written).</p><p></p><p>If I were going to run a horror campaign I most likely wouldn't use D&D, or even d20. I agree that it limits what you can do - in fact, that's what I've been saying myself. I <strong>also</strong> happen to be saying that I'm impressed more by people who successfully run horror in D&D without changing the rules than I am by people who successfully run horror in D&D by changing the rules - because I do firmly believe that the work of balancing D&D for lower power and/or lower fantasy is easier, albeit still a worthy achievement.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I've been reasonable. My comments were never "Low-fantasy horror is crap and stupid", they were "People who always recommend changes to make D&D more low-fantasy when people talk about running horror irritate me, because it's not necessary." I didn't see any indication in the original post that the Auld Grump wanted to heavily alter D&D for the purposes of running horror, you know? If he had asked "What books are good for making D&D easier to run horror in?" your comments might have been more immediately relevant.</p><p></p><p>Instead, you assumed that everyone agrees with you that D&D's "fire-and-forget kewl powerz" make horror impossible. And that irritates me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mhacdebhandia, post: 2738133, member: 18832"] There's a difference between D&D and d20. Change too much of D&D and you're playing d20 fantasy. There's nothing [b]wrong with that[/b], and it's even possible that it's better than D&D for most purposes, but there you are, all the same. My comment was directed at the fact that you seem to despise the way D&D as written handles character abilities, as evidenced by your highly pejorative description of them as "fire-and-forget kewl powerz". I'm unsure that someone with such a viewpoint can contribute much to the question of what's best for doing horror in D&D, given that the majority of D&D players can be assumed to not share that opinion. Otherwise, like you, they'd be playing d20 fantasy. (Even if you dispute my division between D&D and d20 fantasy, the latter point stands. If you don't like the way D&D as written works, what exactly qualifies you to address the question of how to do X in D&D?) No. I have to wonder if you're reading what I write, now. ;) I said I find it more interesting and clever to write horror stories that don't require you to change D&D; it's clever in the same way that writing poetry according to set principles is clever. Not always necessary and not always appropriate, but I admire those who can produce great work within a set of restrictions (the Petrarchan sonnet form, D&D-as-written). If I were going to run a horror campaign I most likely wouldn't use D&D, or even d20. I agree that it limits what you can do - in fact, that's what I've been saying myself. I [b]also[/b] happen to be saying that I'm impressed more by people who successfully run horror in D&D without changing the rules than I am by people who successfully run horror in D&D by changing the rules - because I do firmly believe that the work of balancing D&D for lower power and/or lower fantasy is easier, albeit still a worthy achievement. I've been reasonable. My comments were never "Low-fantasy horror is crap and stupid", they were "People who always recommend changes to make D&D more low-fantasy when people talk about running horror irritate me, because it's not necessary." I didn't see any indication in the original post that the Auld Grump wanted to heavily alter D&D for the purposes of running horror, you know? If he had asked "What books are good for making D&D easier to run horror in?" your comments might have been more immediately relevant. Instead, you assumed that everyone agrees with you that D&D's "fire-and-forget kewl powerz" make horror impossible. And that irritates me. [/QUOTE]
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