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<blockquote data-quote="humble minion" data-source="post: 8004221" data-attributes="member: 5948"><p>Yeah, there's a few possible ways to emulate Templars in 5e. I get that the warlock flavour fits in some ways - the whole concept of making a pact with an evil power, plus it avoids the weirdness of getting cleric spells granted by someone who can't cast them him(or her) self. But on the other hand, I like sorceror-kings as dominant in their own domain, and there's things clerics can do that warlocks just can't. Healing, creating or purifying food/water, curing disease, etc etc, that'd all be very popular and necessary in Athas (and pretty thematically apt for sorceror-kings like the Oba). If Templars can cast these spells, then it strengthens the sorceror-kings' hold on their city. If they can't, the elemental clerics would have a lot more in-universe influence and pull. So I personally prefer the cleric option, but it's really a matter of interpretation. Plus, in all the background and novels, templars are often head-breaking oppressive thugs. It's a lot easier for a cleric to fill that archetype than a warlock...</p><p></p><p>However, it's not either-or. It may make a lot of sense to put some of these basic cleric utility spells on a sorceror-king pact warlock's spell list, or else make some custom incantations that granted them, and then bang, problem solved. </p><p></p><p>As for the 'tome' - if you haven't read Lynn Abbey's Dark Sun novels, I'd really recommend them. She's got a great take on templars. A templar's medallion is actually a minor magic item that allows a templar to contact their sorceror-king (though attracting the attention of one's ruler is a profoundly hazardous endeavour and it'd better be for a REALLY good reason...) and for the sorceror-king to gain some awareness of what the medallion's wearer is up to, if he/she decides to pay attention (again, this is often bad news for the templar). A medallion CAN be a cleric-templar's holy symbol (or a warlock-templar's tome, in that interpretation) but it's not limited to that. The templarate as an organisation is composed of individuals who might not all be of the capital-T Templar class. There's psionicist templars and fighter templars, even a druid templar. But because they all carry medallions, they're all members of the templarate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="humble minion, post: 8004221, member: 5948"] Yeah, there's a few possible ways to emulate Templars in 5e. I get that the warlock flavour fits in some ways - the whole concept of making a pact with an evil power, plus it avoids the weirdness of getting cleric spells granted by someone who can't cast them him(or her) self. But on the other hand, I like sorceror-kings as dominant in their own domain, and there's things clerics can do that warlocks just can't. Healing, creating or purifying food/water, curing disease, etc etc, that'd all be very popular and necessary in Athas (and pretty thematically apt for sorceror-kings like the Oba). If Templars can cast these spells, then it strengthens the sorceror-kings' hold on their city. If they can't, the elemental clerics would have a lot more in-universe influence and pull. So I personally prefer the cleric option, but it's really a matter of interpretation. Plus, in all the background and novels, templars are often head-breaking oppressive thugs. It's a lot easier for a cleric to fill that archetype than a warlock... However, it's not either-or. It may make a lot of sense to put some of these basic cleric utility spells on a sorceror-king pact warlock's spell list, or else make some custom incantations that granted them, and then bang, problem solved. As for the 'tome' - if you haven't read Lynn Abbey's Dark Sun novels, I'd really recommend them. She's got a great take on templars. A templar's medallion is actually a minor magic item that allows a templar to contact their sorceror-king (though attracting the attention of one's ruler is a profoundly hazardous endeavour and it'd better be for a REALLY good reason...) and for the sorceror-king to gain some awareness of what the medallion's wearer is up to, if he/she decides to pay attention (again, this is often bad news for the templar). A medallion CAN be a cleric-templar's holy symbol (or a warlock-templar's tome, in that interpretation) but it's not limited to that. The templarate as an organisation is composed of individuals who might not all be of the capital-T Templar class. There's psionicist templars and fighter templars, even a druid templar. But because they all carry medallions, they're all members of the templarate. [/QUOTE]
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