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<blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 3764192" data-attributes="member: 5038"><p>Except that I don't consider the majority of stuff that they put out to be great. Honestly, other than the dedicated monster type books (e.g., Dragonomicon and Fiendish Codex) most of the stuff from WOTC is, imo, horrible when compared to several third party companies (including those the WOTC designers have worked for in the past) and even material on some of the designer's own web site material . I don't use TOB:Bo9S (like the goal, but not the execution) or MMV which are said to be previews. I don't like the Star Wars game, again said to be a preview. I don't like or use Weapons of Legacy, Magic of Incarnum, Tome of Magic, Expanded Psionics Handbook, MM3, MM4. I found 90% or more of the material in the Complete books (excluding Warrior and Arcane) , Race books, Environment Books (excluding Stormwrack) to not to be to my taste. Even the PHB2 had precious little that I liked maybe 25% of the material which is better than most WOTC releases.</p><p></p><p>There is very little in the information coming out of WOTC to alleviate my concerns that 4e will, IMO, be done wrong for my tastes and those of my friends. That is not to say that I have not heard a few things that I like. I like that they are addressing the Christmas Tree syndrome. I like that they are extending the sweet spot, but I hope it is not at the expense of lower level play (levels 1-4). I like that the exp penalty for casting spells and creating magic items is gone. I even like the points of late (provided it does not affect existing settings by requiring resets). I am even looking forward to see how classes are handled. However, the game play examples and other info coming out of WOTC seem indicate the designers are taking actual play and other aspects of the game into a direction that I do not like.</p><p></p><p>Now, I hope that the designers prove me wrong which is why I look for the bits of released info . However, the track record at WOTC and currently released info, as I said, are reinforcing not alleviating my concerns.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greg K, post: 3764192, member: 5038"] Except that I don't consider the majority of stuff that they put out to be great. Honestly, other than the dedicated monster type books (e.g., Dragonomicon and Fiendish Codex) most of the stuff from WOTC is, imo, horrible when compared to several third party companies (including those the WOTC designers have worked for in the past) and even material on some of the designer's own web site material . I don't use TOB:Bo9S (like the goal, but not the execution) or MMV which are said to be previews. I don't like the Star Wars game, again said to be a preview. I don't like or use Weapons of Legacy, Magic of Incarnum, Tome of Magic, Expanded Psionics Handbook, MM3, MM4. I found 90% or more of the material in the Complete books (excluding Warrior and Arcane) , Race books, Environment Books (excluding Stormwrack) to not to be to my taste. Even the PHB2 had precious little that I liked maybe 25% of the material which is better than most WOTC releases. There is very little in the information coming out of WOTC to alleviate my concerns that 4e will, IMO, be done wrong for my tastes and those of my friends. That is not to say that I have not heard a few things that I like. I like that they are addressing the Christmas Tree syndrome. I like that they are extending the sweet spot, but I hope it is not at the expense of lower level play (levels 1-4). I like that the exp penalty for casting spells and creating magic items is gone. I even like the points of late (provided it does not affect existing settings by requiring resets). I am even looking forward to see how classes are handled. However, the game play examples and other info coming out of WOTC seem indicate the designers are taking actual play and other aspects of the game into a direction that I do not like. Now, I hope that the designers prove me wrong which is why I look for the bits of released info . However, the track record at WOTC and currently released info, as I said, are reinforcing not alleviating my concerns. [/QUOTE]
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