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<blockquote data-quote="Talonblaze" data-source="post: 5680227" data-attributes="member: 6680256"><p>[MENTION=19675]Dannyalcatraz[/MENTION]</p><p></p><p>Well in most cases, the only thing is the XP. Since from what I see from most people 'optimizing' the cost for scrolls and the like never seems to be an issue for them compared to the power.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, they don't need to emulate a class feature to use Shapechange. Just get a scroll and cast. The extra bonus from this is that they have no need to worry about wearing armor when using the scroll since UMD doesn't seem to worry about ACF or the likes. Even so divine casting wouldn't be a bother anyways. Unlike a Druid who doesn't have much in terms of armor and restricted to types.</p><p></p><p>Besides, good charisma, skill focus and such make it easier even for a cross class.</p><p>Plus, its not just for spells either after all. The Fighter could also wear druid specific gear to enhance such.</p><p></p><p>[MENTION=6674868]RUMBLETiGER[/MENTION]</p><p></p><p>In cases like that, such things are usually fine. Since its covering weak areas. But in this example, what if the Rogue instead used Shapechange (seems to be a common thing). Why would you need a Fighter or any other tank class of raw power?</p><p></p><p>It's almost noted in most cases especially for dueler's that UMD is REQUIRED solely for this. You depend less on your party when you can merely obtain it for yourself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Talonblaze, post: 5680227, member: 6680256"] [MENTION=19675]Dannyalcatraz[/MENTION] Well in most cases, the only thing is the XP. Since from what I see from most people 'optimizing' the cost for scrolls and the like never seems to be an issue for them compared to the power. Secondly, they don't need to emulate a class feature to use Shapechange. Just get a scroll and cast. The extra bonus from this is that they have no need to worry about wearing armor when using the scroll since UMD doesn't seem to worry about ACF or the likes. Even so divine casting wouldn't be a bother anyways. Unlike a Druid who doesn't have much in terms of armor and restricted to types. Besides, good charisma, skill focus and such make it easier even for a cross class. Plus, its not just for spells either after all. The Fighter could also wear druid specific gear to enhance such. [MENTION=6674868]RUMBLETiGER[/MENTION] In cases like that, such things are usually fine. Since its covering weak areas. But in this example, what if the Rogue instead used Shapechange (seems to be a common thing). Why would you need a Fighter or any other tank class of raw power? It's almost noted in most cases especially for dueler's that UMD is REQUIRED solely for this. You depend less on your party when you can merely obtain it for yourself. [/QUOTE]
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